[WLS Friendship & Support update protonix

2008-09-30 21:29:07

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you, Judy!! It should help you though..
hopefully fast!
Pat
Judy Rosado <losingforlife08@...
Hi friends good afternoon. I hope all of you are having a blessed Sunday. The
weather is perfect in northern CA today 75 very odd but great! Just wanted to
let you know I picked up the protonix today and I hope it works had a bad day
yesterday just felt like throwing up all day. Anyway I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for all your good advice
Judy
"Starting the Process with friends"
Kaiser-Fremont, CA
265/259/?/145
HW/CW/SW/GW
"I can do all things through Christ who strenghens me" Phil 4:13

Made it to ONE-DERLAND

2008-09-30 13:14:53

LOL Beth... I keep trying to give her one, but she keeps yelling at me to get
off her back!!
Pat
Beth Street <beth_loveslife@...
Congrats Penny, you had your surgery the week before I joined the
group so I have been following you pretty closely and I am excited for your
accomplishment. Give yourself a pat on the back for sure ( thats a pat with your
hand not PAT your sister LOL)
Beth
still waiting.

Re: Perhaps this is easy on a new pouch

2008-09-30 06:48:31

That is a good idea Lisa!! :)
Hugs!!
Heather

Re: Heather's pics

2008-09-30 06:38:50

Thank you Liz!! I'm up about 20 lbs from my lowest. I would like to
lose 10 lbs to get rid of the muffin top I have hanging over my
jeans!! :) I would be happy 10 lbs less. I think when I was at my
lowest I was too thin. My face was really angled.
Looking at those pictures tonight it is hard to believe that was me at
one time and it is even harder to believe that I'm the size I am
now. :) It takes awhile for our heads and brains to catch up to our
bodies.
Hugs!!!
Heather

RE: [DrMarchesini-DS] Hello from Curitiba! &gt;&gt;&gt;Synagogue.........OT

2008-09-30 02:06:13

Patrice...you just made my day. I decided to take a quick look before
heading off to temple for children's services since it is Chanukah. Last
time I was in Curitiba I was in the hospital on all the Fridays. It never
occurred to me to ask Dr. M. to see about synagogue. Just like I opened a
can of worms a while ago about the recliner you may have opened one too. I
sure hope Dr. M won't mind if I ask to go to temple if/when I get my PS.
That would be such a privilege. Please tell me if it is Orthodox with
women/men separated, etc. and as much as you can about the services. Do
they have Reform or Progressive like in Europe and Conservative, etc? You
can say it here OT or write me personally but I'm off to temple myself.
Good Shabbas. W

Re: picture taking

2008-09-29 17:04:37

Another trick is to have your picture taken from a slight down angle.
Have the person stand above you and kinda point down...... does that
make sense?
H

Re: Saggy

2008-09-29 12:48:18

ROFLOL!!!! I use my imagination!! :)
OXOX
Heather

Re: nina--tpn--update--diane's actual labs--crosspost

2008-09-28 23:39:28

I have given patients TPN. If you get it, it has to be given via IV
line. I guess that is the "trouble" the doc was talking about. You
would have to be admitted to the hospital I think. It has to be made
daily by the pharmacy and the nutrition in each bag only lasts for a
short time (about 12-24 hours I think). I don't think you could get
it at home easily. I know some people with long term cancers or
other severe illness have had IV's at home, but it is not a real safe
thing. A normal IV line has to be replaced often (about 72-96 hours)
you can have a PIC or Central line placed which is a more long term
line, but that can be more dangerous and needs to be monitored by a
nurse.
Basically, I think your doc means that TPN would be a hassle to
provide unless you were admitted to the hospital. I have heard that
TPN can also cost about $1500.00 per bag (that was actually 2 years
ago when I was working ICU and medsurg) It might be more expensive
now. That is a HUGE daily expense.
I sure hope you can find better options and more reasonable ones. I
hope you are not so sick that they need to admit you! Hopefully the
other steps the docs are trying will have good results.
Robin G

Sugar Free halls

2008-09-28 22:40:31

Kay,
So glad to see you posting. Are you reading most of the messages?
Did you see that Penny, one of our respected seniors, has reached her
under 200 mark and has lost over 100 pounds? I just wanted to give
you some encouragement because I know your date is coming soon and
that you are nervous. You have every right to be nervous, but you
WILL be okay. Just prepare things for after surgery because that
will be the tough time.
Lizanne

nina--tpn--update--diane's actual labs--crosspost

2008-09-28 15:55:23

i mentioned tpn to my pcp this morning on the phone
and she freaked out. said it carries with it all kinds of
trouble.
can you, nina, and/or others who've had tpn educate
me on this?
thanks,
diane

Heather's pics

2008-09-28 08:39:46

Heather,
You are so beautiful and so is your family. I never saw your pics
elsewhere but you have a great face. I bet you and your family are so
proud of you. Are you sure you still need to lose a few pounds? You
looked perfect, but I can't judge you, you have to decide for
yourself. What does your husband think of the change?
Lizanne

Saggy

2008-09-27 23:40:50

heather,
I was just wondering...why are you looking at old men's butts?
Lizanne

picture taking

2008-09-27 22:06:55

I was just reading an article in AARP about 50 things a person should
know by the time they are 50. One of the things was about having your
picture taken. It said to press your tongue to the roof of your mouth
and that skin will not be as saggy under your chin. Try it, he's
right. The other thing he suggested was to not face the camera head on
but to turn and give the camera a three quarter view. That is supposed
to reduce the look of wrinkles. We never had to worry about wrinkles
before because our faces were so fluffy. These two pointers seemed to
make sense to me. Now I guess I should get some "after" pictures taken.
Lizanne

Re: I posted pix

2008-09-27 13:36:49

Heather,
It just seems everyone is sick with colds, especially you ladies out
west. Did the fires bring the sniffles? I remember how hard it was
when I was sick and had a child to take care of. I always liked that
better than when the child was sick. What happens now when we get
sick? Any meds we can take. I was never a big medicine taker anyhow
because they cause drowsiness and if I was going to be drowsy it
better be a weekend. And if it was a weekend, why take meds to make
me tired, I would just go to bed. I used to suck on Halls drops
though. They helped with coughs and stuffy heads. Do they have
sugar free halls, does anyone know?
Lizanne

Re: Hello from Curitiba!

2008-09-27 08:26:56

thanks so much for the update.
i was another of the "leaning heavily on the cane brigade" when i
was there.....i still use my cane ( have for about 18 years) but not
so heavily.lol
just do be careful as the cobblestones are not the smoothest of
surfaces.
it is a wonderful place filled with kind people.
praying for a safe surgery and uneventful recovery for you.
Gods speed.
joanne

Perhaps this is easy on a new pouch

2008-09-27 05:25:13

I was really hungry tonight. I know I have not been eating well this
weekend so I could understand the hunger. I decided to heat up some
chicken broth and make egg drop soup. DUH, why didn't I think of this
before. All of the chickeny goodness, and the protein from the egg.
It tastes so good and super satisfying.
I was thinking that this might be a good idea for those of you who are
having some issues.
Lisa A

Re: [DrMarchesini-DS] More Chinese food

2008-09-26 21:35:17

We eventually can do everything we did before, just in mjuch smaller amounts. I
used to love to chug, but now sipping is much more satisfying. Don't worry about
it. You'll figure it out as you go.
Carole
Robin <jkrdrmom@...

Re: More Chinese food

2008-09-26 13:04:05

Robin...
so glad you are finding some things that make your tummy happy.
REALLY cold drinks.............yup.
can not do room temp beverages............i put about an inch of
liquid in a glass and put them in the freezer...........i usually
have half a dozen there........keeps my drinks really cold.
i don't like the taste of regular ice cubes after they have been in
the freezer a few days..........this way the glasses are never there
more than a day.
i use to be a diet pepsi fanatic......drank more than a 6 pk a day.
now i can't handle it straight from the can but do have about a half
of a cup from a fountain once in awhile.
i no longer feel deprived in the way i can drink.......but that took
a few months.
early post op breakfast was THE most difficult meal for me.....as i
too got SO tired of the usual breakfasty things.
now i am as likely to have a bowl of homemade chicken fajita soup or
a "club" wrap........turkey, bacon, cheese, shredded lettuce and
ranch dressing rolled up in a wrap........just about anything really.
i still have a very difficult time with bread........it does not
taste good to me and does not sit well at all.
early post op i thought i had escaped the lactose intolerance
because i was doing well with cheese and yogurt..........then i
drank a FEW sips of a chocolate shake ( about 2 months post op ) and
got so sick i thought i would never want to put ANYTHING in my mouth
again.
i loved the taste of pineapple (really cold) and did ok with cottage
cheease with salt and pepper on it........but gagged at cottage
cheese and pineapple together.
i did fine with tuna salad, did fine with cram of mushroom soup
etc.......but if i put it all together in a tuna casserole it gagged
me........threw it right straight in to the garbage after one bite.
sometimes it just makes no sense.........what is fine one meal may
seem nasty the next, or make your tummy displeased the
next..........but it DOES get better.
in the meantime....think outside the box.........and if spicey
things work best go for it........salsa on eggs is a lot better than
plain eggs to me anyway lol.
can you keep a bit of jerky in a baggy in your pocket?? a couple of
slim jims?? for those emergencies at work. some string cheese in
one of the fridges??
keeping you in my prayers.
joanne

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Hello Friends

2008-09-26 10:53:00

We missed you Ally! Glad to have you back for the moment.
talk to you soon
Lisa A
Allison <allisonmarie22@...
Hi Guys-
I had a great birthday weekend, and I missed you all a lot.
Welcome to all of the new members and congratulations to those of you who have
had significant milestones in the last few days (Penny and Lora!).
I had over 300 e-mails to try and sift through when I came back tonight, and it
looks like I've missed a lot (I'm not even sure I want to know what's going on
with that duct tape thread lol).
I have to travel a lot this week (Monday through Friday), so I will be MIA a
lot, but I'll try to check in as often as I can.
~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning
10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

Shenise!

2008-09-25 22:18:43

Shenise-
I'm just so glad to hear that you're ok. Sorry you had some difficulties. I
hope things are all downhill from here.
Welcome to the Losers Lounge!
~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning
10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: Hello Friends

2008-09-25 19:31:07

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU HAPPY B I R T H D A Y
TOOOOOOOOOOO ALLY......... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOOOOOOOOO YOU!!!!
Hope you have an amazing weekend!! You will be missed this week, pop
in when you can!! :)
Hugs!!
Heather
Heather

Hello from Curitiba!

2008-09-25 19:06:18

I'm here. What a wonderful place. I feel as if I am making a
pilgrimage to Lourdes, which I am. Believe me, this is where the
cure is. In one day I have had a marvelous reception at the airport
thanks to Durval, I met the people in the hospital -- Patricia and
Myrtice, who is a real hoot. Great gal. Lance had surgery today and
wasn't up from recovery yet when I was there. I've also met adorable
Kim, who looks very good, Andrea and her mother, and many of the
others. It is quite a place of healing.
Meeting Dr. Marchesini was as good as you all have written. He is
the most patient and kind person as well as the great doctor I
expected. His hands are those of an artist which he puts to use each
day. I understand he is now doing weekend surgeries to keep up with
all those wanting to have surgery. When I saw him around noon today
in the hospital cafeteria he greeted me with "And how is my baby?"
If any American said that to me I would wonder why. From Dr. M. who
really gives you a second chance at life it fits perfectly. What an
extraorinary gift to be here.
Everything for me is set for Tuesday, Dec. 14th. I enter at *;00 pm
Monday night. Others besides those on the calendar, are here and
leaving this weekend so that's where Durval comes in as head of the
circus. He keeps the show running with everyone. From nursing to
logistics to taxis and other doctors' appointments - Durval is on
the front line.
We're speaking Spanish more than English. Actually Spanish is
getting me farther along in my travels. English isn't much use
except with other Englishmen or Americans. And Portuguese is lovely
to listen to. I hope I ingest a little of it.
Tonight I am fortunate to be meeting with a Brasilian friend of Dr.
M's who is Jewish as I am, who will take me to synagogue with
his family. He speaks English and has had the DS surgery so I am
looking forward to all the enlightenment before me.
My legs are letting me down. I don't need a wheelchair per se, but I
am leaning heavily on my cane when my knees give way and barely
getting between a few stops on the block. I'm happy I brought all
the suitcases and things I did so I won't have to endure much
shopping (water, juices, etc.) and walking.
I'm very happy with the Parthenon Hotel. It's clean as a whistle and
very comfortable. Only problem so far has been the internet which
goes on and off when it wants to. Otherwise the computer is a
lifesaver. I've got my Bach playing all day and at night I watch
some TV, all in English. The DVD's will help me at the hospital
since that TV has only one channel in English.
For you Diane, when I checked in at the hotel I showed them a copy
of their internet price sheet, so that is what I am paying, in
reals. They preferred to charge me a flat BRL $95 but I wanted
BRL$98 weekdays and BRL $89 weekends. Others pay by credit card, but
I prefer to arrange the price in reals. They don't fluctuate as much
as the dollar has been doing. Also, I wouldn't bother with a fan for
the hospital. The summer here turns out to be mild, in December
anyway. It rains for a few hours and there is humidity, but the
hospital rooms have an overhead fan which should cut down on the
need to bring another. Your choice.
I'll write later. Best to everyone out there. I want to send this
before the net goes off again.
Tschao.
Patrice -- the Austin, TX soon-to-be DSer.

Reply to Cindy re Dr. M

2008-09-25 04:35:52

thanks wendy, my fear is that I pay to have the procedure, lose the weight
and then regain the weight and more. to me that is a waist of time and money and
my emotions. that fears me. i just don't know what to do. i really don't have
any medical problems other than the problems that are brought on by excessive
weight. once i lose the weight it will all go away. otherwise i am very
healthy. cindy

Thank You!

2008-09-25 00:08:15

Thank you all so much for the Birthday Wishes!!! I'm so thankful for all of
you! :)
~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning
10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

More Chinese food

2008-09-24 22:34:40

Hi,
Went to the chiropractor today to have him work on my nausea and my
SI joints which hurt when I sleep sometimes. Helped alot! He is
really into holistic medicine and is not the "tradition" adjusting
kind of chiropractor.
Anyhow, after that I decided to try some more chinese since last time
I have beef and broccoli I liked it.
There is a place close by that is a buffet syle restaraunt. I just
asked if I could get it "to go". They gave me a big styrofom box and
I filled it with all kinds of stuff from the buffet (NOne of those
sugar donuts though! GRIN!) I got garlic chicken, hunan chicken,
house beef (which is very spicy and good), grilled beef and chicken,
and little bit of fried rice, snow peas, broccoli, and those long
string beens sauteed in garlic sauce. YUMMMMMM....WAY WAY too much
food and only $5.00 total. I can eat on this for a couple days
easily.
Heck...we could have all gone there and eaten off of the $5.00 box I
bet!!!!
So far everything is staying down well. I took a few bites of
everything and now am full and happy. I will save the rest for
later. I probably will never be able to finish it all. YUMMMM...
I will have some for breakfast tomorrow I think.
I am going to try to make the white bean chilli soon! I am not the
best cook, but I try! I bet it would be good on a baked potato???
Or maybe that is too many carbs for now. I REALLY am going to stay
clear of white flour, chocolate and muffins!
I AM craving some pineapple now! I think I will try some in some
cottage cheese maybe later.
Does anyone crave really icy cold drinks? I DO! I miss chugging
them like I used to. I can't do diet soda either because my tummy
feels funny afterwards. I have had some crytal light and it is OK,
but I have to drink it too slow. Mostly I stick to ice water. I
just miss the chugging of a really cold icey drink. Do we ever get
to do that again?
Robin G
down 38 pounds since 10/26/04
Happy now after eating a good lunch of chinese food!

Hello Friends

2008-09-24 17:42:27

Hi Guys-
I had a great birthday weekend, and I missed you all a lot.
Welcome to all of the new members and congratulations to those of you who have
had significant milestones in the last few days (Penny and Lora!).
I had over 300 e-mails to try and sift through when I came back tonight, and it
looks like I've missed a lot (I'm not even sure I want to know what's going on
with that duct tape thread lol).
I have to travel a lot this week (Monday through Friday), so I will be MIA a
lot, but I'll try to check in as often as I can.
~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning
10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] You on a diet

2008-09-24 06:35:27

there is also a book called You on a Diet. It's a good read. Also, You An
Owners Manual is a good book by the same authors.
~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning
10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

Reply to Cindy re Dr. M

2008-09-23 23:06:24

Cindy...I had a RNY and I regained but there is a difference. I started at
376 and went to 240 and my surgeon never gave me any instructions and I
blame him more than I blame myself. I ended up at 410 seven years later.
Dr. M often suggests a RNY for people whose BMI or weight are not excessive
if he thinks it is in his/her best interest. I don't know your health or
statistics but if Dr. M says RNY is the better procedure for you I would
definitely trust him. It could be that you do not need the malabsorption
component of the DS because of where you are medically. Discuss your
concerns with him about the RNY vs DS and then make your decision based on
his answers. I used to spend a lot of time in F'burg when I was working. W

I posted pix

2008-09-23 22:10:29

Hi Guys!!
I posted pix. As soon as they are approved you all can see them. I
found a few old ones from 2000!! WOW it is a shocker to see those
now!! :) I named the album Heather O.
Sorry I haven't been around this week. I have had a bad cold and it
just kicked my tush!! I wanted to crawl into a hole and be left
alone, but it is kinda hard to do wth 2 little boys. :)
Hope you all have had a great week!!!!!!
OXOX
Heather

Re: Why am I do nauseated still???

2008-09-23 13:59:43

I know it is probably what I am eating (sigh!) I am just soooo sick
of yogurt or protein drinks in the morning. I have tried eggs, but
my tummy hurt from hunger pains if I don't do the yogurt or protein
drinks. Those things or soup are about the only thing I can eat that
do not cause the terrible hunger pains I get. I will be eating a
small meal, like yesterday I got some lunch meat and cheese to try! I
ate for a couple minutes and then suddenly got the terrible hunger
like pains (like I am starving!) I can't figure out why I get them
while or after I eat! I know I am not hungry. I just feel like I am
starving and it hurts!
Anyhow, I am so tired of the yogurt, protein drink and soups that I
am constantly trying to find something else to add that will not
cause the hunger like pains. I can't figure out what the pains are!
I try antiacid meds and they do not make any difference. I try
eating slower! I try eating less and even more! It is very strange
that I can be eating and THAN get the starving feeling. It is very
irritating to deal with.
I have trouble at work with this because if I don't eat exactly the
right time or the right amount or the right THING, I get nauseated.
It is hard to time things when you are a nurse and can't always eat
exactly what and when you should. I am trying! I have people at
work actually helping me with things so I can get the timing right.
My life must keep going, but my stomach is being such a pain in the !
@#$. I can't wait for things to eventually calm down and get into
a "normal" routine. I am just being very impatient I guess. I
really never thought I would have this much difficulty after
surgery. I am usually a very healthy, fast healing person. I am NOT
usually a whinner or complainer and this is very strange to me.
Sorry to keep going on and on. I just keep hoping that my
complaining rings a bell with someone and they might remember
something that really helped.
Thanks
Robin G

Re: [DrMarchesini-DS] Why am I do nauseated still???

2008-09-23 05:44:18

Robin, I am sorry you are having these problems. Soon you can eat
whatever you want, but right now you have to STOP eating bread, hot dog
buns, rolls, biscuits, brownies, etc. It will swell in your stomach and
it will come right back up.
Becca

Why am I do nauseated still???

2008-09-22 22:33:27

Hi,
I had a few small bites of a muffin this am and a few sips of milk.
The muffin was a banana nut and the milk I have had many times
before. I know I didn't eat too much or too fast.
I threw it all back up about 15 minutes later! I am still very
nauseated and my tummy is feeling so sensitive and yucky.
Is is possible to actually have dumping with DS? I have the symptoms
that I have read about. My heart racing my tummy pain and nausea and
just feeling very weak and horrible.
I know that I keep reading that DSers do NOT dump. Of course I have
to second guess everything I read and think maybe I am the ONLY DSer
who will have dumping for some unlucky reason.
I hate feeling this way! I hate thowing up and feeling nauseated and
just yucky for hours! It doesn't happen everyday, but it has
happened several times since surgery. Never with the same foods
either. I drink milk everyday in one form or another. I live on
yogurt and I mix milk with instant breakfast (low carb) because I
can't handle any other kind of protein drinks. Occationally I will
drink milk with peanut butter crackers for added protein. I am
pretty sure I am not lactose intolerant.
OH POOOH!!!! I hate complaining and whinning! I am sorry. I just
feel so terrible right now. I think I am also very depressed becuase
I can't take my meds because of the stomach issues. I AM able to get
the vitamins down luckily!
I never guessed I would have so much trouble with eating at this
point. I thought I would fail the surgery by not losing weight or
having a leak or an infected wound or some other really bad thing.
Never did I guess my stomach would be such a big whiner and so
sensitive.
Prilosec, nexium, pepcid, reglan etc... do not help really. I really
don't notice any difference weather I take them or not. Even tums,
gass EX and pepto do not help.
Robin G
DS 10/26/04
249/211/130's
Lucky for me I am still loosing and am down 38 pounds in 6.5 weeks!

Warm Feet

2008-09-22 21:24:46

Wow Penny,
You are full of great ideas. Thanks. I will try it.
Lizanne

Re: update--diane's actual labs--crosspost

2008-09-22 14:42:14

Hi Diane,
I am glad to read you are coordinating this with all the docs. Also,
congratulations on find a good GI doc you like and one who will let
you tape him (some don't like that for legal reasons!)
Sounds like you have a good plan of attack! You might want to add
Yogurt to try to ward off the old Yeastie Beasties from all the
antibiotics.
Robin G

Reply to Cindy re Dr. M

2008-09-22 07:36:07

Hi Cindy,
Maybe Dr. M would consider the VG or vertical gastrectomy. That's the stomach
portion only of the DS. That's what my daughter had. I had the DS and we've both
lost about the same amount of weight. You won't be able to eat quite as freely
as a DSer can, but you will still have a much smaller stomach which will limit
your food intake and lead to weight loss.
Carole
cindyj578 <cindyj578@...
---Hi Wendy, I am not embrassed, I did finally get in touch with the
Dr. and he said that I wasn't a good candicate for the DS but I was
for the RNY, that concerns me as I don't want to gain the weight
back. What do you guys think. BTW Wendy, I am in Fredericksburg, not
very far from you at all. Cindy in Va.

Re: What Have You Lost?

2008-09-22 07:05:15

Sharon,
I want to lose a little more weight than the amount of trash an
American discards in a year. Oh, and I would also like it to be
discarded in a year. It's just perfect for me.
Lizanne

Re: Book References

2008-09-22 02:21:08

Penny,
I did set up two polls as you have probably noticed. The book
references and the info on things to watch for after surgery will
have to wait for the birthday girl. I do not want to mess with her
stuff. I would also like her to include those posts that Dawn did
today too. We'll just wait for her to come back. Good ideas though.
Lizanne

Re: Reply to Cindy re Dr. M

2008-09-21 10:51:17

---Hi Wendy, I am not embrassed, I did finally get in touch with the
Dr. and he said that I wasn't a good candicate for the DS but I was
for the RNY, that concerns me as I don't want to gain the weight
back. What do you guys think. BTW Wendy, I am in Fredericksburg, not
very far from you at all. Cindy in Va.

Re: [DrMarchesini-DS] update--diane's actual labs--crosspost

2008-09-21 10:30:38

Diane, it sounds like you found a great gastroenterologist. It sounds
like he is doing all the right things and you should be feeling stronger
in no time. I am so glad you found this doctor.
Becca

Re: Made it to ONE-DERLAND

2008-09-21 08:49:35

Congrats Penny, you had your surgery the week before I joined the group so I
have been following you pretty closely and I am excited for your accomplishment.
Give yourself a pat on the back for sure ( thats a pat with your hand not PAT
your sister LOL)
Beth
still waiting.

Free telephone calling

2008-09-21 01:08:20

Great.....I was wondering that no one commented on it because since I didn't
spend much time there I had no idea if it was a good site or not. I kept it
to research if/when the time comes. W

Re: update--diane's actual labs--crosspost&gt;&gt;&gt;Diane

2008-09-20 20:59:13

Diane,
I'm glad that you have found a Dr. at home that you feel
comfortable with. I'm sending good thoughts your way. You seem to
have found a path that is workable for you. Take care and keep up
posted!
~Andy in Bremerton, WA
Surgery March 30, 2004
Surgery Weight: 267
Current Weight: 160

Re: Free telephone calling

2008-09-20 15:16:09

wendy, i wanted to say a belated thank you for directing
me to this site. i had a read there--looks good to me! i'm
going to sign up and download the program, and put it
to the test in brazil.
diane

update--diane's actual labs--crosspost

2008-09-20 08:35:53

i want to thank you, denise, and everyone who wrote to
me with their kind thoughts, concern and advice. i've
gotten so many notes from all of you, buth in the lists
and privately. i've tried to answer them all, but please
forgive me if i've forgotten anyone. your support means
a great deal to me.
so now, an update.
i've been trading emails with dr. b, and he is concerned.
he's suggested a few things, and says that tpn might be
indicated if the situation gets worse. he's also now
directly in touch with my doc here so they can co-
ordinate efforts on my behalf, and thinks it a good idea
for me to consult wityh dr. m when i'm in brazil in a
month--a month!.
i saw a WONDERFUL gastroenterologist yesterday.
best move i've made since i came home. i love this guy-
-quiet, understated, dorky, brilliant. we spent fully an
hour talking. i brought him tons of info on the ds, along
with my surgery report, and he studied a good deal of it
in the visit with me, and asked a lot of questions. i taped
the session and played it later for dh. (i always tape
doctors' visits.)
here's what he recommends, and what i agreed to.
-pancreatic enzymes. i started last night.
-a course of flagyl--gawd, does that taste nasty. i had to
go to the healthfood store and get capsules to put the
pills into so i could get them past my lips.
-a course of levaquin, for small bowel bacterial growth
-citracel, which he says is better than metamucil in
terms of loose stool and gas
-complete stool studies for parasites, clostridium difficile
and giardia
-an abdominal ultrasound
-lots of new bloodwork, including tests for b vitamins. he
has some concern at my elevated liver enzymes too,
and is doing a routine screening for all forms of
hepatitis. (i don't have a concern about this, but good to
rule it out.)
-bloodwork to look at absorption of micro-nutrients
-endoscopy and colonoscopy, but at a later time
i'll also be getting the spinal study to determine bone
loss in my spine.
i will continue taking mega-doses of d, evista to build
bone, and potassium.
we're also not ruling out tpn. if i need it, i'll do it.
interestingly, the doc says that gall bladder removal can
sometimes set off a diarrhea syndrome--i don't recall
the exact name of it. he has a drug to try for that if none
of these things work, but naturally wants to try one thing
at a time so we can see what works.
i think that's everything.
he complimented me on knowing about my procedure,
and helping with suggestions--like the pancreatic
enzymes. i told him it was due to the fine online groups i
belong to, and the combined knowledge we all share
with each other here. and i sincerely mean that.
i feel there's hope, that i won't starve to death now, that
i can get this thing under control, hopefully without a
revision. i'll continue to check in and let everyone know
how i progress.
oh, and denise, to answer you--i just can't stomach the
protein supplements. i've tried every bar, shake and
powder. maybe spent hundreds of dollars looking for
something. they're all so awful. wish i could find
something.
also, all these meds make me so sick to my stomach it's
harder than ever to try and eat anything. food is like
bad-tasting medicine. what a dilemma!
anyhow--thanks again, friends,
diane

Duct Tape

2008-09-19 22:14:48

Sheggy,
I love the pictures, not so much for the visual, but they always make
me laugh and they make Pat go nuts. Duct tape is the universal
repair substance, so why not use it to hold up the excess skin. So
funny!!
Lizanne

Re: [DrMarchesini-DS] I was too daring!

2008-09-19 14:49:32

Hi Robin,
It's possible that another newly ost-op could handle the brownies without any
problem. Everyone is different. It's really a process of trial and error.
Carole
Robin <jkrdrmom@...
OK! So the chinese food was good and stayed down. So.....this
afternoon I made brownies with my 6 year old! They smelled sooooo
good. I took a very small taste (about the size of a quarter) It
came right back up! YUCK!!!!!! Do NOT eat brownies at 6 weeks post
op! No matter how warm and gooey and yummy they smell.
It will be a LOOOOOgn time before I try something like that again.
Now my tummy is VERY angry with me. BOOHOO!
Robin G
:^(

Norrth Texas Support Group Meeting

2008-09-19 13:19:30

Join us for a Christmas lunch and meeting
Saturday, December 1!!, 2004
11:00 - 1:00
2427 Carrick Street
Farmers Branch, TX 75234
972-277-3579 (wk ) Ellen Yates
Please bring a Christmas lunch goodie or snack to share.
I would like to discuss what we can do to let the city of Dallas know how
mad we are about their decsion to limit the amount that they will pay toward
WLS to $5,000. It is setting a precedent that could have domino effect for
other companies, municipalities, and school districts.

RE: [DrMarchesini-DS] I have a date &gt;&gt;&gt;Annette

2008-09-18 23:20:02

Many of us have gone alone. Dr. M. prefers we be accompanied because then
we have someone who can both help us and be his eyes and ears. If there is
a problem in the hotel the support person can get hold of him or Durval
quickly. And patients often get very homesick when they are alone. I was
alone and many others have been. There usually is not a problem. Go when
several other Americans are there and you will bond and make friends for
life. Check the calendar and see who else will be there the week of
February 12th. You can even start emailing with them before hand so by the
time you get there you feel you are meeting friends. Good luck on your date
and I'm glad you finally spoke up after all this lurking. W

Re: Chewable Vitamin A

2008-09-18 17:54:29

"David Shriver" wrote: my vitamin A levels have come back. They are
low...
Hi David,
With any of the dry (non-oily) A&D suppliments in capsule form,
(Vitamin Shoppe item #vs-1186)
you can simply twist the gelatin capsule open and dissolve the
powder in a drink or mix it into applesauce or any other soft food.
As a matter of fact, you can do the same with any water soluble
suppliment in a capsule. Mixing it with food or drink may actually
increase the level of absorption.
Mike Adams
Surgery 6/30/2004
Dr Marchesini
SW / CW / GW
451 / 317 / 250-210

needing some emotional help&gt;&gt;Jamie/Robin

2008-09-18 17:47:14

London Broil was the first beef I ate successfully because it was so juicy.
I found it so much easier to swallow than chicken or even a hamburger in the
earlier post op stages. I still have it once or twice a week. Jamie, I am
glad you have graduated to a beef meal that you really enjoy. Soon you will
be adding more and more until you realize that you actually enjoy eating
again. W

Cindy Jenkins re Dr. M

2008-09-18 10:50:34

I completely forgot to give you the web address where many of your initial
questions can be answered. Go to
http://home.comcast.net/~gleppla1/MarFAQ.htm and you will learn much about
Dr. Marchesini. W

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] What Have You Lost?

2008-09-18 09:20:13

I cant wait till i can say i have lost as much as an Elephants penis LOLOL
Sharon XOXO
Lap RNY 7/30/07
HW242
SW232
CW184
GW125-130

RE: [DrMarchesini-DS] Reply to Cindy re Dr. M

2008-09-18 00:03:46

Cindy...unfortunately you didn't write Dr. Marchesini as you thought you
were doing. You posted your letter on the support group where we all read
it. Please don't be embarrassed. We have all been where you are now. Dr.
M's personal email address is jbmarchesini@... and you can send the
same letter to that address. It might be 2-4 days until you hear from him
because Tuesdays and Wednesdays are the day he operates on Americans and
other non Brazilians. Meanwhile I am glad you are here. We are more than
willing to answer all your questions. This group has every type of
individual from 2-3 years post op to newly post op to those who have a date
and are waiting for the surgery and people like you who are just beginning
the research process. Do write back. BTW....I live in Virginia also....in
Sterling which is Loudoun County outside of Washington, D.C. Where in
Virginia are you? Wendy
Biliopancreatic diversion. gastric outlet restriction & cholecystectomy
Dr. Marchesini: DOS 8/5/03
Highest weight: 4/16/03.....410
Weight DOS: 376
Starting BMI: 72.4
Current BMI: 42.9
Current weight: 248
Loss: 162 total / 128 ( fluctuates due to medical problems)

(No subject)

2008-09-17 10:03:43

Hi, I am intrested in your weightloss surgery. I am 5'6" and weigh
200lbs. I am small framed. I used to weight 234 lbs, and will be
there again soon. I am at a total loss as to what to do. I don't want
this to get any worse. I would great appreciate your help. If you
would please let me know the price and specifics I would greatly
appreciate it. Thank you, Cindy Jenkins in Virginia

I was too daring!

2008-09-17 08:09:53

OK! So the chinese food was good and stayed down. So.....this
afternoon I made brownies with my 6 year old! They smelled sooooo
good. I took a very small taste (about the size of a quarter) It
came right back up! YUCK!!!!!! Do NOT eat brownies at 6 weeks post
op! No matter how warm and gooey and yummy they smell.
It will be a LOOOOOgn time before I try something like that again.
Now my tummy is VERY angry with me. BOOHOO!
Robin G
:^(

Book References

2008-09-17 04:28:47

Hey Lizanne,
Do we have a book reference file. I think that might be beneficial to a lot of
the pre ops. Also how about a poll for like when we went on different foods or
how long we were on liquids or info along thos lines. Or the ten most important
things to watch for after surgery or when a poll on when did you start losing
your hair etc.
If you notice some of these are the questions being asked a lot so we need to
find a way to have it available and also be updateable (is that a real word?)
LOL..
Granny Penny in San Diego

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Ally - I did not get any of your messages

2008-09-16 17:22:03

Shenise,
Those rides home from the hospital are killers..did you have a pillow to use.
All you pre ops remember to have a pillow to use on you tummy when riding in a
car as it really hurts especially when you hit a bump....
Granny Penny who learned this the hard way.

Felt "normal" for a few minutes!!!

2008-09-16 14:56:03

Hi,
I tried some beef and broccoli and it went down pretty well. I
couldn't eat much (maybe half a cup or so). It is staying down and
tasted very good. I felt like a "normal" person for a few minutes
there. I still have this "starving" feeling my tummy gets while
eating and sometimes for a while after I ate though. I KNOW it isn't
hungry, but it "feels" like I am starving to death for a while.
Oh well....I guess I can't have everything can I? At least I found
something I can get down and it will stay down OK.
Next I want to try something chinese with a bit more "spice" to it.
Not HOT, but just more "spicy" I Like seseme chicken. I hope to
find some that isn't breaded somewhere. Maybe General's chicken
also. Even just a few bites is wonderful for now!
So nice to have something besides yogurt and soup! YIPEEE
Robin G
down 37 pounds in 6 weeks.

needing some emotional help &gt;&gt;Jamie

2008-09-16 12:47:42

Jamie....for what it's worth I think weeks 4-8 post op are the WORST. The
initial pain of surgery is gone. We have lived through the surgery and all
our fears are gone. So.....we think that now all is well when in reality
1) Our body and brain are completely out of whack because we miss food,
tire easily and expect that by now out life should be back to normal and it
isn't.
2) We haven't yet created a "new normal".
3) We have read that we should be eating or drinking X number of oz of
this and that and we are finding it really hard so we have guilt and new
fears beginning to build.
4) We usually hit our first plateau around here and start panicking that
we did this for nothing and will be the first failure in history.
5) Etc. Etc. Etc.
I won't keep going but I think you see where I am headed. This group is
wonderful. We not only answer pre op questions but we learn post op that we
are not the one and only person to feel this or that. It does get better.
I promise. But right now all I can tell you is hang in there and take care
of yourself. Talk to a professional if that will help. Talk to us or a
best friend or whomever. Don't bottle up your emotions. Do what you can
food wise but your body has enough nutritional stores that if you don't get
up to speed on protein for another few weeks you are OK. The only thing you
have to worry about is work to get in the water, acknowledge that a certain
amount of aches and pains and sadness are normal but any major sudden onset
of pain or unexplained emotionality should be reported to a doctor. Good
luck. W

RE: [DrMarchesini-DS] needing some emotional help

2008-09-16 04:10:39

George....you made an excellent point of hormones, etc. that I should have
thought of. Many people know that I am lucky enough to go through the 2nd
menopause from HE**. My hysterectomy was 21 years ago and that menopause
was simple cause in those days they loaded every female down with tons of
HRT and never gave it a thought. Well, last winter when the hot flashes,
the sweats, the mood swings, etc. began many of my doctors and I went on a
detective hunt to see which med I was taking was giving me a bad reaction.
It wasn't a med at all. It seems that estrogen sitting in my liver and
other organs for 21 years were still there and with a sudden weight loss my
body started estrogen withdrawal all over again. Just as women who tried to
conceive for years and couldn't until they lost weight, just as some people
develop acne or get periods in the hospital 5 days after completing one,
etc. hormones can do things at the other end of the female repertoire as
well. We all need to remember ( I'm speaking of females primarily since I
can't speak about male hormones from experience) that every aspect of our
body is changing....not just the scale and the inches...but our actual
physical beings. And that affects emotions. W

Re: diane's actual labs--crosspost

2008-09-15 21:24:57

You need some potassium and protein. Your body is eating itself!!!!
Do you have muscle spasms or weekness? I think I read you had
weekness. Drink OJ and lots of it! Lots of protein also. Try those
pancreatic enzymes if the Doc OK's them.
Your potassium and protein levels look the most concerning! The
potassium thing can really cause severe heart troubles if not taken
care of!
Robin G

Re: I need some advice..PLEASE.

2008-09-15 13:33:37

Thanks you all for the suggestions.This is awful,and so miserable!
Nina,that was very sweet of you,and I am glad that it helped give
you hope!And congrats on the wonderful weight loss!I am sure you
look just as great as you feel!And thanks for your advice!
Carole,Wendy and George!Thank you,thank you thank you for your
suggestions as well!I have never been so miserable,and it hurts long
after I try or do go to the bathroom.I will diffently do as you say
try that and call my PCP as soon as I am off here and hopefully get
an appointment before the weekend.
Many hugs to you,
Jamie

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Made it to ONE-DERLAND

2008-09-15 13:05:27

Hi Lizanne
Yep I have lost over a hundred pounds and today I made it to
ONE-DERLAND..Hooorayyyy!!!
Penny in San Diego
Age 60 Ht 5'7"
LAP RNY 7.2.07
307/272/199/140

Re: [DrMarchesini-DS] I need some advice..PLEASE.

2008-09-15 07:29:16

Jamie,
Have you tried taking Citracel or Fibercon? My doctor-daughter recommends
Fibercon over Citracel... but Citracel is working for me.
And, thanks, Jamie, for being a part of the group. I downloaded your pre- and
post- pictures onto my PDA during my research and pre-op period to encourage
myself that great changes were actually possible!
:)
Nina Wright
275/170/135
Jamie <jamiehgrl@...
Hey,little shy about posting this,but please I need relief and any
advice anyone can give me would be helpful.I am having some issues
with constipation and have been for last 2 weeks or so.It nearly
kills me to go to the bathroom and it is so very painful and I am
now having issues with bleeding when going and it hurts like a
tearing feeling,what is this?I had this feeling back after my
plastics with Dr.Cavacanti in March,first time ever,but not this
bad.Please any advice would be greatly appreciated on what to do.I
have tried laxatives but they are not helping me,and I am hoping its
okay to take them after the DS?Anyone know?.And I have bought that
creme,but it still hurts.I guess I problay should go call my PCP but
was hoping somone else might have some suggestions first to try.
Jamie
DS,Dr Marchesini
Feb 25th,2003
312/somewhere between 135-138

Re: needing some emotional help

2008-09-14 18:33:36

Jamie,
Let me first start off by giving you a hug. I know posting about
your anxiety attacks was not easy for you. Having wls of any kind is
a very emotional issue. I would say for myself the emotional part of
this surgery was about 90% and the physiacl part was the other 10%.
I had/have a hard time losing the weight. I have been my own worst
enemy more times than I can count. After nearly 17 months out, there
are things I still don't like about my body. We tend to stress if we
don't lose the weight fast enough, if we are getting enough protein,
vitamins, water, and exercise in, if we don't reach a certain
clothes size, if people will notice the weight loss/ or lack of
weight loss, or if our health problems will cease after we lose
enough weight. There are so many things we stress over and all these
things can cause anxiety. With someone who doesn't normally have
anxiety problems we tend to become depressed, but you already have a
known anxiety problems which may heighten the risk for future
attacks. I am not a doctor or in the medical field, but I think it
may be a good idea that if you have a therapist to see her on a
regular bases. You need someone to talk to about the changes and the
effects this surgery will have on you emotionally. Not everyone is
in need of a therapist, but we are all in need of some kind of
support. Some people don't have a tough time emotionally and the
physical changes is what is the biggest part for them to adjust to.
I know for myself I had to dig deep within myself to accept some
things emotionally I was not prepared to. Instead of living in fear
of another attack or taking valiums everytime you have an attack,
talk with someone about your feelings and maybe they can help you
accept the changes you are going through.
MB

I need some advice..PLEASE.

2008-09-14 18:11:17

Hey,little shy about posting this,but please I need relief and any
advice anyone can give me would be helpful.I am having some issues
with constipation and have been for last 2 weeks or so.It nearly
kills me to go to the bathroom and it is so very painful and I am
now having issues with bleeding when going and it hurts like a
tearing feeling,what is this?I had this feeling back after my
plastics with Dr.Cavacanti in March,first time ever,but not this
bad.Please any advice would be greatly appreciated on what to do.I
have tried laxatives but they are not helping me,and I am hoping its
okay to take them after the DS?Anyone know?.And I have bought that
creme,but it still hurts.I guess I problay should go call my PCP but
was hoping somone else might have some suggestions first to try.
Jamie
DS,Dr Marchesini
Feb 25th,2003
312/somewhere between 135-138

[WLS Friendship &amp; Support update protonix

2008-09-14 09:49:38

Judy,.
You should feel relief in a few days . .if not immediately. . i swore by
them. . i hope they work for you.
sharon xoxo

needing some emotional help

2008-09-14 07:51:36

Let me first start this out by saying I was diagnosed with having
anxiety and panic attacks in the early 90's and after 3 years of
counseling and some very dark times, I have come through it with only
minor setbacks.... If any of you have ever suffered with this, then
you know how the fear of having another attack could cause you to
have one....
I take meds and even since the surgery, I had one attack and it was
so severe mixed with the physical pain I was enduring 6 days post op
that Dr. M took good care of me and I got through it... I felt as if
they would be no more....
Yesterday my Mom and I went into town and took back some nasty
protien mix I had bought and then she was getting her hair cut.. well
I went back to watch and I found myself fixated on the mirror and I
saw my fat hanging over the binder and poking out of my bra..... I
could not quit looking and in my mind I was saying, " I have lost 30
pds, this should mean something." Please understand I do not need a
pat on the back or a that is great weight loss.... I need to know if
you think that the episode could have brought on the severe panic
attack I had last night.... I mean I had to take Valium and my heart
and chest literally hurt.. my heart kept flying away... also, I am
very fearful of having another one.. I woke up this morning with the
old feelings that I use to have... I took a valium to hopefully
prevent myself from having one... has anyone gone through this.. I
knew my Doctor said this could be a real possibility, but you never
think it will happen... I don't want anyone to think I am not
grateful for the weight loss, because I am... I just thought after
losing 30 pds, things would look better in the mirror, of course even
with the loss I am still 230, so I guess I need to get more
realistic, whatever that may mean...thanks so much for listening and
I would love to hear from any of you....
Jamie

diane's actual labs--crosspost

2008-09-13 17:22:41

here are my labs, if anyone cares to comment. provided
someone knows how to read them--which i don't. (but
luckily, i have a doctor in the house.) i've sent
everything on to dr. b.
again, thanks so much for all your help and input!
diane
8/2/04:
Calcium 8.8 (nl 8.5 to 10.5)
PTH 82 (nl 10-65)
suggestive of secondary hyperparathyroidism from
malabsorption, etc.
11/12/04:
Vitamin D, 25-OH (better index of D3 than D2 levels)
< 5ng/mL (nl 10-68)
lipase
14 U/L (nl 7-60)
serum metabolic panel-abnormal values
AST (SGPT, transaminase)
79 (nl 15-41)
(ALT/SGOT was nl)
Albumin
2.9 g/dL (nl 3.5-4.8)
total protein
5.8 g/dL (nl 6.1-7.9)
potassium
3.1 mEq/L (nl 3.6-5.1)
Hb A1C 4.2% (low)
Urine creatinine 67.9
urine microalbumin
9.4 mg/dL (nl 0.3 - 3.0)
ratio U[m-alb]/U[cr]
138 mcg/g (nl 0-30)
normochromic, normocytic anemia -
RBC 4.13 M/mm3 (nl 4.20-5.40)

Re: Chinese food?&gt;&gt;&gt;Robin

2008-09-13 13:04:10

Robin,
I have to echo what George said. One of the first things I had
when I came home was egg drop soup. I'm a chinese food junky. I
love spicy things too! Kung pao beef, generals chicken. And, I
didn't have a problem with spice. The next soup meal after the egg
drop was hot and sour soup. I think I waited until roughly where
you are before ordering almond chicken, but no matter what I ordered
or when it was I chewed the HELL OUT OF IT. I still do chew things
really well. Again, echoing George, start soft, chew well, and
order the smallest portion you can! LOL It gets better. I'm just
over 8 months out now and I can tolerate anything on the menu.
Different culture, but one of my favorites (and has been since
roughly two months out) is sushi. GREAT protein! =)
~~Andy in Bremerton
Surgery: March 30, 2004
Surgery Weight: 267
Current Weight: 160

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support update protonix

2008-09-13 09:38:00

Hi friends good afternoon. I hope all of you are having a blessed Sunday. The
weather is perfect in northern CA today 75 very odd but great! Just wanted to
let you know I picked up the protonix today and I hope it works had a bad day
yesterday just felt like throwing up all day. Anyway I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for all your good advice
Judy
"Starting the Process with friends"
Kaiser-Fremont, CA
265/259/?/145
HW/CW/SW/GW
"I can do all things through Christ who strenghens me" Phil 4:13

Re: [DrMarchesini-DS] Almost 4 months and still discomfort.. is this normal?

2008-09-13 04:37:04

Hi Konstantin: A few ideas came to my layperson's mind in reading your
description of your pain:
1. Gas
2. Sleeping too long in one position
3. Pinched nerve
4. Kidney stone
Of these the likeliest culprit in my opinion is gas. I get gas pains sometimes
that are pretty intense, and the worst part is, I'm not able to pass any.
kstew111@... wrote:
Its almost four months now since I had my DS... and through the whole time I
have experienced moments of discomfort and occaisional short moments of pain
that passed right away... The latest is I awoke this morning from discomfort
in my lower right side (betwen my navel and just below my right hip ... its
still discomfort... I feel it radiate through to my back... Its not quite pain,
feels like a pulled muscle or like I slept in a wrong position to long...
The point is..... I know I never had any of these before my DS...
The Question... IS this all normal... and if it is will they finally fade to
black or is this something I should get used to for the rest of my days?
I really want to know..... any comments would be so well appreciated.
Konstantin

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Exercising Abs

2008-09-12 19:44:42

Thats what my surgeon said too. . Do whats comfortable for you .. i figured
after 6 weeks i should be able to start my abs. . and i was fine. . w/ open tho
.. not sure about that. .
sharon xoxo

Is my time up?

2008-09-12 17:47:02

Is My Time Up?
A 45 year-old woman had a heart attack and was taken to the hospital. While in
the emergency room, she had a near death experience. Seeing God, she asked, "Is
my time up yet?"
God replied, "No, you have another 43 years, 2 months, and 8 days to live."
Upon recovery, the woman decided to stay in the hospital and have a face-lift,
liposuction, and a tummy tuck. She even had someone come in and whiten her
teeth and change her hair color. Since she had so much more time to live, she
figured she might as well make the most of it!
After her last operation, she was released from the hospital. While walking
across the street, she was struck and killed by an ambulance. Arriving in front
of God, she demanded, "I thought you said I had another 43 years? Why didn't
you pull me out of the path of the ambulance?"
God replied, "I didn't recognize you."
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Exercising Abs

2008-09-12 05:47:56

Thanks Sharon for your advice.
I see my surgeon again in mid December. You must understand, this
guy did a great surgery, but other than that he is worthless. He has
done so many, and I guess has heard the same questions over and over,
that they are like water off a ducks back. He just keeps telling me
things will get better and I will lose weight. I have different
questions that don't fit with that standard answer.
I see my PCP 12/4 and he will see how my BP is going (it's been
really sucky since I went back to work. I guess I should be glad
because the 98 over 37, that was in in hospital BP was a little
low.) I will ask him about exercising. I don't do many ab
exercises, and I told the instructor that, and she says not to do
them if I am not comfortable, but to keep moving with the group on
something else. It's been rolling along just fine, I think.
Lizanne

Re: How did you decide? Wendy

2008-09-12 01:03:00

Wendy,
I still have the emails....
I agree, it is very sad. It was very disconcerting to receive and
read, although in my case it did 'get my back up' and caused me to
email and ask questions.. It does not look good for Dr.B even though
I am sure that most people realize that he has nothing to do with
this type of thing. It is very unappealing to say the least.
Michele

How did you decide? &gt;&gt;Joanne

2008-09-11 23:46:22

<<<my total extra cost: $500.00.........and that INCLUDED five of the
extra days being in ICU.
can't beat it with a stick.
Thank you Joanne. Dr. C right now is talking with the hospital director to
come up with a price for me re PS and what extra days in the ICU would cost
if I need it etc. etc. and I didn't have the faintest idea what kind of
money we were talking about. Carole was given one big bill when she left
after 4-5 months and I've been trying to get a breakdown. You gave me a
good indication. Don't know if Dr. C provides enough patients ( probably
not since he has a clinic) to generate the prices of Dr. M but still your
$500 bodes well for my pocket book. W

Re: You on a diet

2008-09-11 16:51:27

Lisa A,
They are stressing the waist measurement a lot. Now, if you look up
BMI calculations, there is generally a comment about waist size
also. I have not done measurements for so long that I don't know if
my waist is 90 inches or 32 inches. We should all check to see how
we are doing. Even if our waists are above 32" once we lose, what
can we do about the size of our waists? Anyone know, or was it
mentioned in the information you learned today?
Also, my NUT told me to ignore all weight loss advice unless it
pertains strictly to GBS patients. Especially WeightWatchers since
they stress veggies and we need to stress protein. That we no longer
need to limit our fat because our diets are so limited. That fat is
needed for our brains, and I, for one, need all the brain power I can
get. As long as we stress our water & protein fulfillment, that the
number of cals shouldn't be the big stresser. We should exercise and
eat what is necessary for our bodies, and disregard the calories.
Obviously, that has to be taken with a grain of salt. If you are
eating 2500 calories, you will not lose weight, unless you exercise
16 hours or so a day. Just my NUT's perspective.
Lizanne

Posting Pics

2008-09-11 14:49:49

Pat,
You have been telling us that you will post a "before" picture. It's
been at least a week, and we still don't know what you look like.
Please post a picture.
Lizanne
PS What's the excuse now?

Fall Harvest Pumpkin Soup

2008-09-10 23:06:05

3 cups pureed canned pumpkin.
1 large yellow onion, diced
2 large celery ribs cut into 1/2 inch pieces
1 quart low sodium chicken stock
1/2 white wine, cooking sherry,chicken broth or vegetable broth,
2 tsp cinnamon plus more for garnish
2 tsp allspice
2 tsp curry powder (optional)
2 tsp paprika
1/2 tsp cumin
1 tsp cayenne pepper (optional)
1/2 tsp ground white pepper
3/4 cup nonfat half and half
In a 4 quart soup pot, place the cdhicken stock, onion, and celery. Cover and
bring it to simmer. continue cooking for about 15min, until the gegetables are
soft and translucent. With a slotted spoon or small mesh strainer, remove the
vegetables and puree. Return the vegetables to the chicken stock and add the
pumpkin puree. Add the wine (or sherry, or broth), cinnamon, allspice, curry
powder (if using), paprika, cumin, cayenne pepper (if using), and white pepper.
Slowly stir in the half and half. Bring it back to a simmer and continue
cooking for about 20 min, stirring occasionally. Serve in warmed soup bowls and
garnis w/ a light sprinkle of cinnamon.
Makes 6 (1 cup ) servings.
Nutrional Analysis:
Calories 151.17
Protein 5.82g
Carbs 21.99g
Total fat 3.58g
Sat Fat 0.72g
Cholesterol 4.54mg
Sodium 252.18mg
Sugars 7.44g
Fiber 5.13g
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Re: Need Help with some wording

2008-09-10 17:08:04

Trip-oli? Three-tleburg?
Lizanne

You on a diet

2008-09-10 16:10:48

this is a new show on the Discovery channels. It is really great for
information that we all need. I highly suggest that we all watch
it...I know that we watch shows that deal with the whole surgery
experience, and they are great but I think that this adds the element
of now that we are here, how do we make changes.....
So, today I learned that a healthy waist is very important as the worst
fat on us is the belly fat. For a man (yes for those few of you here)
the waist should be around 36" and a woman: 32". So as we lose our
weight, we should really be taking measurements as well.
Just thought I would share.
Lisa A

dr. b on top of things--crosspost

2008-09-10 09:28:13

i just got another email from dr. b--does the man never
sleep? he sent all my paperwork to me, including my
surgical report. and assures me he'll work with my doc
here.
i wrote him back and told him i'll be seeing dr. m in
january, and hope the two can coordinate a plan for me.
i think this is the way to go.
diane

Re: White Chicken Chili was wonderful!

2008-09-10 08:06:23

I am collecting all the recepies I get here! So everyone keep
posting your good ones. I am always wanting stuff that is high
protein and yummy for my tummy. Maybe even something my kids would
eat! It is sure hard to find things that I can eat that they will
like. My younger kids are spoiled and picky. I am going to have to
change that! My older ones (19 and 21 years old) were the same way
when they were young and they are growing out of it and eating lots
more variety. So maybe there is hope for my younger ones????
Robin G

Re: Almost 4 months and still discomfort.. is this normal?

2008-09-09 23:54:42

I am not as far out as you are, so my pains may be different.
I notice especially when I am laying down on one side or the other, I
feel a pain or tighness or maybe I would call it a bruised feeling on
my left just under my ribs and on my right sometimes. I think it
just might be muscle bruises from surgery. I know the worst side is
my left side where my gallbladder would have been. Maybe my body
misses is and is complaining.
I also notice sometimes my incision site is more sore than other
times.
Maybe you are feeling intestinal stuff? Maybe they are still just
getting used to being moved and repositioned. Maybe they get kinked
sometimes with gas or whatever. Maybe you have a hernia someplace
that is complaining.
I think if the pain goes away and you are not having a fever or
severe constipation you would probably be fine. But than again
emailing Dr M would be a good idea just to ease your mind. I bet
someone else here has had similar stuff though. All this changing
and removing of stuff has got to be very confusing and a bit
upsetting to our delicate balance of systems. I bet it takes a long
time for your body to get used to it. After years and decades of
being one way you suddenly want it to do something totally different.
I hope whatever you have is not serious and goes away after a while.
Robin G

Re: Weight Loss Surgery and Emotional Eating - Tips (web article)

2008-09-09 10:01:46

Dawn,
What a good article. Thanks I will try to remember these things when
I have jumped out of "undereating" syndrome. Maybe I can get Ally to
archive this.
Lizanne

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] bed/foot warmers

2008-09-09 04:12:20

You need to go to an antique store and invest in a good, old fashioned bed/foot
warmer! Before the days of electric blankets and central heating it was very
difficult for people to not only get their bed warm but keep it that way in
order to achieve a restful slumber. Sometimes blankets just weren't enough. So
this device was invented in order to bring the fireplace to the bed itself,
without setting the entire house on fire. A metallic container was connected to
a long stick and put into the fireplace. There, burning hot coals from the fire
would be captured, a top would be placed upon it, and then the container would
be slid above the mattress and below the bed covers in order to warm up the bed.
So see? If you have a fireplace (or maybe a charcoal grill??) you are set!
Pat
Dawn <scottndawn@...
I wish I knew how to keep the feet warm, Lizanne! My husband yells
at me when I try to warm them on him! *L* I now wear socks to bed
(never did before) and have 2 blankets on me. Still not enough!
He's mad at me right now because I'm wearing his slippers with 2
pairs of socks. Boy am I in trouble this winter! *L*
Dawn in PA
Lap RNY 06/27/07
305/278/194/140
HW/SW/CW/GW

Re: dr. b's response--crosspost

2008-09-09 02:54:21

i'm going to try the flagyl. enough of you have convinced
me--and what have i got to lose?
i have a call in to my pcp. i'll ask her for the flagyl, tell
her i don't even want to see this non-ds doc, and ask
her to email my labs to dr. b and begin a dialogue
directly with him.
this list (and dr. m's list as well) is (are) great for getting
to the heart of the matter. i thank you judy, and
everyone for their good suggestions.
as for the vitamin d--same as you, 50,000 ix units, but
twice a week. didn't come up at all in three months.
what is tpn? is that the pancreatic enzyme? i'll find out
about that tomorrow at the gastroenterologist.
i'll also ask for another parasite and ovum test.
diane

[DrMarchesini-DS] White Chicken Chili was wonderful!

2008-09-08 20:33:05

Hi Kelly,
Thanks for the yummy recipe. I made it for dinner last night and we loved
it! It is fun to have new things to try that sit well on the tummy.
Val in TX
DS 09/30/03
286/141/135-140?
BMI was 50.7 now 25.0

Almost 4 months and still discomfort.. is this normal?

2008-09-08 16:05:33

Its almost four months now since I had my DS... and through the whole time I
have experienced moments of discomfort and occaisional short moments of pain
that passed right away... The latest is I awoke this morning from discomfort
in my lower right side (betwen my navel and just below my right hip ... its
still discomfort... I feel it radiate through to my back... Its not quite pain,
feels like a pulled muscle or like I slept in a wrong position to long...
The point is..... I know I never had any of these before my DS...
The Question... IS this all normal... and if it is will they finally fade to
black or is this something I should get used to for the rest of my days?
I really want to know..... any comments would be so well appreciated.
Konstantin

Re: Chinese food?

2008-09-08 09:27:52

I am wondering what broccoli will do to me. I have had cream of
broccoli soup and it was fine. I ate a few bites of a salad at work
a few days ago. It was OK, but didn't really taste so great. I only
had 2-3 bites so I am not really sure about fresh veggies yet. The
ones in soup so far do not bother me or make me really gassy yet.
Beans don't seem to make me gassy either.
I am just soo tired of yogurt and peanut butter I could just scream!
I am getting tired of everything my stomach will keep down. I need
something with some spice and texture and flavor. I am going to have
to just try a few things I guess.
Robin G

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Need Help with some wording

2008-09-08 05:10:27

Shannon,
Please tell me you are not drwing elephant penis' on your visual map! LOL
Lisa A
sheggy1969 <sheggy1969@...
Ok--here's the deal.
I've decided to draw a visual "map" of my weight loss journey. Since
I'm now in "twoterville" I want to come up with a name for the place
I left--something to do with the 300 pound range. Any suggestions?
Also, on the other group there was a list of items equivalent to the
pounds lost. I remember the one about the elephant penis--don't ask
me why I remember that one. Anyway, I unsubscribed from the other
group, because I like this group better and just don't have time for
both, especially since this is a particularly chatty group (myself
included sometimes).
SO--any suggestions. I'm going to draw a map and hang it so I can
track my journey. I'll post a picture of it when I get done. Mind
you I'm no artist, but I am very visual and I think if I can look at
something while I'm in my garage on my treadmill, it would motivate
me more to actually go to the garage and get on the treadmil--LOL
Sheggy/Shannon
June 8/ 2007
375/282/?
Lisa
284/271/217/135

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] Flu Shot

2008-09-07 16:59:17

Lizanne, it's not the same shot every year. Each year they try to predict what
strains of flu virus will be prevalent that year, and they make a vaccine
specific to the virus(s) they expect to encounter. You are not getting the
exact same ingredients with each vaccination.
Pat
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...
I had mine for about 10 days...the doctor said, you know you are at
that age.....I asked the nurse about the future pain. She said hers
was very tender for about a week. I had no pain at all. Now, last
year I had pain for about a week. I don't know what the difference
was, but frequently there can be pain. I've had three in the last
three years and only one hurt.
Lizanne

Re: Flu Shot

2008-09-07 14:00:29

Lizanne,
Same here. I got one at work on the 23rd and my arm was sore for a
couple of days, but otherwise I had no problem. Caught a cold on
Friday from everyone at work. Otherwise no problem. I thought I
should have it before the surgery.
Robin in NJ

Re: I tried the White Chicken Chili!

2008-09-07 13:05:24

Carole...I've always loved the TexMex flavors and have always loved
using Rotel tomatoes and green chilis in anything I could put it in.
LOVE green chilis in egg recipes for brunch type dishes. I DO think,
however, that since you mentioned it, I'm really craving more
spicy...not necessarily HOT spicy, but foods just full of lots of
spices and lots of flavor. Maybe we tend to satisfy ourselves with
tons of flavor post DS, rather than tons of food! I'm finding myself
REALLY satisfied these days and not feeling like I'm deprived of
anything and I'm the one that has turned to cooking as my new hobby
and I'm really enjoying the taste of food and new recipes more than I
ever have before. I think before surgery, I took the TASTE of food
for granted....NOW, I cherish the taste of the few bites that I DO
get! Life is grand!
Lisa
262/212/140 (Maybe all my enjoying the taste of food is why the
scales slowed down....hmmmmmmm????)
-50 9 weeks post op

Flu Shot

2008-09-07 06:01:30

I had mine for about 10 days...the doctor said, you know you are at
that age.....I asked the nurse about the future pain. She said hers
was very tender for about a week. I had no pain at all. Now, last
year I had pain for about a week. I don't know what the difference
was, but frequently there can be pain. I've had three in the last
three years and only one hurt.
Lizanne

Re: [DrMarchesini-DS] Chinese food?

2008-09-06 20:19:08

Hey Robin! I have found that Chinese sits just fine with me- I only do a tiny
bit of rice and I usually go to the Chinese place where I can pick my own stuff
and they grill it up. I've had a little bit of everything and it's all been
fine-
hope it works for you. I haven't had the tummy issues you've had but I seem to
be losing a little slower too-
Hope your tummy is better soon. : )
-kelly

Chinese food?

2008-09-06 15:39:54

Hi,
I am craving some chinese food! Is it too soon at 6 weeks post op.
I don't know what to try. I loved beef and brocolli or chicken fried
rice. Some people had it at work yesterday and it smelled sooooo
good to me.
I am really into spicy type food right now. I love spicy mustard an
a cracker with cheese! I love spicy bean soups. Not too hot! Just
spicy flavor.
Robin G

Re: [WLS Friendship &amp; Support] New Pictures

2008-09-06 12:12:28

Dawn,
You look AWESOME!!! Its so hard to believe you have come so far. . I am always
amazed at everyones before and after pics. . mine are nearly as drastic or at
least i dont see them .. i need to take mine and send it to Lisa for the collage
.. forgot to do that. . im 3 months out.
sharon xoxoLap RNY 7/30/07
HW242
SW232
CW184
GW125-130

Re: [DrMarchesini-DS] little WLS news (crosspost)

2008-09-06 04:29:49

I'm really glad to see that the docs and insurers (at least in Minnesota)
finally realize what we've known all along.
Carole
kstew111@... wrote:
IN DEPTH: QUARTERLY HEALTH CARE REPORT
From the December 3, 2004 print edition
The Cost of Obesity
Long-term benefits of obesity surgery outweigh initial price tag, experts say
Scott D. Smith
Staff reporter
At 447 pounds, Ed Walsh's weight, diabetes and life was out of control.
The sheer mass of the 65-year-old retired 3M plant worker made him a prisoner in
his own home. He would "huff and puff" taking out the trash. He suffered through
a frightening episode of kidney failure. His blood-sugar level was more than
twice the acceptable levels -- at 300 milligrams per deciliter (mg/dL).
But just a year after having bariatric surgery, which cost about $25,000,
Walsh's weight is down to 264 pounds, and he no longer takes insulin for his
diabetes.
"I'm getting my life back."
Minnesota's dramatic increase in bariatric surgeries is greatly adding to the
cost of health care in the state. But experts say those surgeries should save
money in the long run as patients such as Walsh avoid costly medical procedures
later in life.
That's why these surgeries have become a big business in Minnesota.
Obesity operations include gastric banding, gastric bypass -- so-called "stomach
stapling"-- duodenal switch and others. The procedures attempt to make stomachs
smaller and limit the amount of food a person can ingest or metabolize.
Between 2002 and 2003, the number of obesity surgeries in Minnesota jumped about
50 percent to 4,217. Minneapolis-based Allina Hospitals & Clinics performed
about 1,600 surgeries last year and is on pace to match that this year.
Eagan-based Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota saw a 128 percent increase
in claims for the procedures between 2001 and 2003. During that period, it paid
out $42.9 million. The surgeries cost between $14,000 and $40,000, said Dr.
Keith Folkert, medical director, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota.
And that is just the start. Only a small number of Minnesotans who qualify for
the surgery actually get it. Nationally, it is estimated that about 8 to 10
million Americans are overweight by 100 pounds or more, but only about 140,000
surgeries were done this year.
Despite the high cost, all the major insurers in Minnesota cover obesity
surgery. However, it must be a last resort and patients must meet a number of
guidelines, such as being 100 pounds overweight.
"My belief is that in the long run it will actually be cost effective for
insurance companies," said Janet Rudlong, program manager for the Bariatric
Center at Mercy & Unity Hospitals, which performs more obesity operations than
any other program in the Twin Cities. She points to patients such as Ed Walsh.
"If someone is going to have diabetes for the next 20 years, that can easily run
over $700 a month."
A University of Minnesota researcher recently completed a study indicating that
bariatric surgery is a cost-effective way to treat obesity, because it pays for
itself as the loss of weight alleviates other diseases.
"Obesity surgery is cost effective in about 3.5 years," said Dr. Henry Buchwald,
director of the Fairview University Obesity Surgery Center and a surgery
professor at the university.
Buchwald was the lead author of the study appearing in the Oct. 13 issue of the
Journal of the American Medical Association that reviewed 136 existing studies
on bariatric surgery -- encompassing more than 22,000 obese patients.
The review analyzed the impact of obesity surgery on diabetes, cholesterol,
sleep apnea and hypertension.
The study found that when patients lose weight, 80 percent of those diseases are
reversed or cured, Buchwald said. Insurers who say the surgery isn't cost
effective are correct only if they can't keep a person in their insurance pool
for more than three years, he said.
"The public should know that this surgery is available and can help them."
Folkert, from Blue Cross, said it is generally accepted that the surgery will
help a patient avoid further problems down the line.
However, the potential monetary benefit of the surgery can be lost if
complications arise during the procedure.
"If there are serious, major complications, it could wipe out the profitability
of the surgeries," Rudlong said.
Complications occur in about 20 percent of the surgeries, according to some
studies, with about 1 percent of patients dying. However, obese people often
have complications with any major surgery they may receive.
Obese patients often have difficulty breathing after the surgery. If the person
is put on a respirator, the costs can easily top $100,000, Folkert said.
"The most expensive cases we've had have been over $300,000," he said.
To minimize expensive complications, Minnesota insurers are starting to send
patients to "centers of excellence" or surgeons that have the best track
records. For example, Bloomington-based HealthPartners only allows surgeons in
its network who have performed at least 100 procedures. Minnetonka-based Medica
also notified the program at Mercy that it will start only sending its bariatric
surgery patients to centers of excellence in 2005, Rudlong said.
Health insurers and employers are also doing more to promote exercise and good
nutrition in the hope of preventing morbid obesity in the first place.
"What has happened is that all of the health plans are looking into earlier
interventions," Folkert said.
During the past year, insurers such as HealthPartners, Medica and Blue Cross
have all started offering their members incentives to attend health clubs and
build exercise into their daily routines.
"This used to be considered a cosmetic surgery," Rudlong said. But now people
walk into her office and say, "I have to have this done or else I am going to
die."
ssmith@... | (612) 288-2107
© 2004 American City Business Journals Inc.

Re: What is Back to Normal After Gastric Bypass Surgery?

2008-09-05 21:37:47

Dawn,
This is great information and really provides a clear perspective on
how to measure and embrace normalness in life.
Thanks.
Robin in NJ