Weight loss

How can you have WLS and not discuss poop? I bet each person who has
had the surgery has a story to tell. That's one of the many things
that new people should know, but we will wait for one to ask. Okay?
Lizanne

I will look into the dates but I remember the messages started around
message #94790 on the group site. It was just Tuesday 10/23.
I have the orginal report of Robyn's message and the 2 posts I made
afterwards because I asked Sharon to copy and send them to me.
Would you like me to post them here? It might make me feel better
that you all know I wasn't WAY overreacting. Up to you.
Lizanne

Dr. M's DS surgery takes about 90 minutes. How long you're in the recovery room
depends on how fast you wake up.
Carole
Janie Mott <dwbs_mom@...
I was wandering and have not seen anyone post this. But I am curious
how long it takes for Dr. M. to do the surgery. In other words how
long are you in the operating room? also how long are you in the
recovery room?

Ally,
I just found out too, but I am working on getting her back.
Lizanne

I want to comment about this issue since it is VERY serious.
Dr. M's patients have had this problem.
I met some DS post-op people in Houston this month. One of the
women, actually a family physician herself, had experienced this
problem. They rushed her to surgery in acute pain with no rationale
of what had happened. She was recovering from this surgery when I
met her. This is one of the reasons I believe that it's important to
have your appendix removed in the surgery. Since the gallbladder is
gone, and if the appendix is gone, one knows immediately that a
serious blinding pain is something unusual and most likely
associated with the DS. In her case the small intestine had moved
through one of these openings.
This is not to scare anyone, but to make you keenly aware that you
should not experience terrible sharp pain after the surgery. Would
you call me George and I can give you her name and phone number. I
don't want to put it on this website for her privacy. I'm at 512-328-
2253.
Patrice

Yes, they have 3 way plugs. George and I bought our laptops on Ebay,
they are IBM Thinkpads. They were around $300.
Becca

Pat,
I agree about the disagreement. We are adult enough not to
personally attack another person just because we don't agree. Ask
the people who have had this surgery, what you should eat after the
surgery and you will get a dozen answers. The point is that we all
need to know our options. If diet A doesn't work for us, then there
is always diet B. There are so many things like that and the more
you know the more prepared you will be when each of us runs into
problems.
Lizanne

Oh Ally,
I am so sorry. I feel so responsible. I should have just kept my
mouth shut, but I have a hard time doing that when I feel someone is
unjustly being put down. We have self respect issues, in general,
and I believe she went way out of bounds with her comments. Sharon
was good enough to send me both Robyn's initial "repost" and my two
replies. In my defense (?) I would still do the same thing. She was
definately wrong. If you would like me to send either posting to you
I will. I am just so sorry that the rest of you are having to take
the brunt of her anger.
I have been emailing Cat. I told her of the support you ladies have
given me. I even suggested that she would be proud of the ways you
all have stuck up and supported me. We have even been talking about
the quilting. She seems to think that the quilters are not really
interested in quilting anymore. She feels that she may be spending
time teaching and that maybe you all aren't really interested. Is
she right?
I have to "move on". There really isn't any choice. I loved that
group and the people. But we need to concentrate on this group. I
am sure that when Robun started her group there were on a few people
and look at it now. We can do the same. We just need some initial
organization and then hopefully we will take off and "meet" new WLS
friends.
I truly am sorry that you were banned. I wish I could help, but you
have helped us all by starting this group. Now, let's all huddle up,
do a high five, and make this the best we can.
Lizanne

Can anyone who is currently in Brazil or has just left and can
remember, do the 110V outlets have 3 way plugs? I need to buy another
laptop and some of them come with 3 way plugs.
Carole

Hi Beth,
Welcome Beth. Glad to meet you and thanks for joining. I can't tell
if you are the same Beth that's been around for a while or a new
one. Your email isn't familiar, and I know it's not your normal
one. Either way, would you remind me where you are in your journey
and a little about yourself. If you are the swap-meet Beth, then
remind me anyway.
Also, I was shocked myself about the antics of Robyn in that "other"
group. It's funny because it seemed as though she wanted a grand
reaction. Why else would she "repost" the same caustic message?
Maybe she just needed a push to get herself away from the "broken"
people and on with her own life. I don't know, but it may just be
good for us.
Lizanne

Lisa A,
I think normal may just be what's normal for you. I want to be 125
lbs. If I don't reach that weight but get below 170, I will probably
be "normal". Take a look around you, there are people of various
sizes. If you ask each of them if they are normal, you will probably
get a variety of answers. Even thin people may think they are not
normal. Maybe if you use your BMI classification, you can get a
definate answer.
Hey, today obesity is normal if you listen to the news. Look at the
kids. They are all getting fat because the world is in a rush and a
lot of people eat fast food at least a couple of times a week. And
the kids are into computer and video games. Of course, there is
always the ballet, soccer, etc, but they are only a couple of hours a
week. Not enough to really help, but better than no activities.
Ask 10 people what normal and I bet you get 10 different answers.
Lizanne

Congratulations Kathy!! I surely understand the reasoning of a child.
I look so forward to exactly the same things with my grandchildren.
God Bless you.
Tracy in TX

Kelly,
Take a deep breath! :)
No problem to get a binder there... Durval will call the folks that sell them
and they will come to your room to "fit" you.
You can buy a calling card online... be sure it will work from Curitiba before
you buy.
We'll all be there with you, Kelly! You are going to be fine.
:)
Nina Wright
5/5/04
275/186/135
Kelly Lautenbach <klautenbach1@...
to order a binder... please tell me I can get one there and that it won't be too
much of an inconvenience to do it there. Anyone?!?!?
I am starting to get major yips- so much to do and so little time to do it- and
I really wish I had someone going with me. Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
Any moral support out there?
Also, anyone know if I can get an international calling card in a store or
something? Do regular calling cards work? can I get one at Sam's Club or
something? I plan to do most of my talking via the internet but I feel like I
need something in case I want to call in a traditional method. Argh! I am
stressing here in a major way.
I am sitting down to compose the packing list now- and I am robbing Robin's as
we speak! Thanks Robin!
You guys rock- I don't know if I would've ever even considered this without all
the info I've been able to learn from taking to all of you. Thanks! ; )
-Kelly
(3 days till I leave- 7 days till switch day!)

Not available messages?? Robyn didn't count on a packrat like me!! I saved ALL the messages regarding the fallout from your posts Lizanne... am gonna go search for the beginning ones in my trash bin...

Pat
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...

Hi Judy,
I haven't "met" you yet. It's so nice to see people who are just
starting the journey. This is a new group but we have been on
that "other" site for a while and have been very active. I held back
for a while after my surgery but I really care about these people,
eventhough I haven't met them.
Cat left me an email. She went to the old group to see if she could
read the posts and was told they were "unavailable". Robyn is
covering her tracks. In reality she doesn't have to do anything as
she is the owner and has the right to do as she pleases. I liked
that group for a long time, but I won't miss it.
Since I have just read the first 9 messages or so, have we invited
Lora? She had the open GBS as did I and I would love it if someone
would ask her if she is interested. The other person I would like to
invite is Jeannie. She always seemed to give replies that were very
down to earth, yet not always tactful. We could use some of that.
You ladies are the best,
Lizanne
251/202/125

Tracy! : ) You are sounding good- Glad you figured out what was up.
Hope you feel even better in the days to come! ; )
-Kelly

Hi Judy,
I haven't "met" you yet. It's so nice to see people who are just
starting the journey. This is a new group but we have been on
that "other" site for a while and have been very active. I held back
for a while after my surgery but I really care about these people,
eventhough I haven't met them.
Cat left me an email. She went to the old group to see if she could
read the posts and was told they were "unavailable". Robyn is
covering her tracks. In reality she doesn't have to do anything as
she is the owner and has the right to do as she pleases. I liked
that group for a long time, but I won't miss it.
Since I have just read the first 9 messages or so, have we invited
Lora? She had the open GBS as did I and I would love it if someone
would ask her if she is interested. The other person I would like to
invite is Jeannie. She always seemed to give replies that were very
down to earth, yet not always tactful. We could use some of that.
You ladies are the best,
Lizanne
251/202/125

Well, time really does have a way of ticking away. It hardly seems
like it has been three weeks let alone three months since my DS.
Lots and lots of changes.
Went for my three month blood work last week. Everything is within
normal limits except for zinc. Really high. I do not take a zinc
supplement but since it is in the multivitamin I take three times a
day, she suggested cutting back to one time per day.
I feel great. No nausea or weakness or fatigue (except what is
normal and not related to surgery). For those newly postop it took
at least eight weeks before I was feeling like my old self. By ten
weeks I felt perfectly normal.
I still get little pangs of pain, nothing horrible, about an inch to
my right of my incision. I just attribute that to internal
healing. I have given up my binder and the A-Shirts. If anyone
want them I would be glad to ship them to ya!
I can now, cross my legs, left over right and right over left.
Tie my tennis shoes
Comfortably clean my own rear end (could do it before, but was
increasingly becomming more difficult to reach.)
Walk for long stretchs of time without becoming completely worn out.
Started a stack of clothes that don't fit including two new pairs of
dockers that I bought to take to Brazil. If anyone can wear a 24
avg. I would be happy to give them to ya.
Fit in most restaurant booths.
And I am sure more that I just can't think of right now.
I still cannot eat very much at a time. Still a few bites at a
time. I am still struggling with fluids. I take one Slimfast per
day to help with protein.
My grandson asked me last week if I was ever going to be able to eat
like I used to. I told him yes, but it would be a while. He knows
that I went away to have surgery to get slim. He said, I still
don't know why you had surgery...you're not even fat. You gotta
love em'. I told him I wanted to have surgery to be healthy, be
able to tie my shoes, get on the floor and play with him, go to our
local amusement park and be able to get on the rides with him
instead of being the designated baby and stroller watcher. He then
smiled and said he understands now.
Truly, it almost brought tears to my eyes.
In three months I have lost 54 pounds. I still haven't reached the
point where those that don't know I had surgery have said anything
but that is okay. Like my brother said, they didn't tell you how
fat you were getting when you were putting the weight on, did they?
I guess, he has a point.
Anyway, I feel great, am looking better, and holding my head very
high.
Kathy B in KC
7-21-04
-54

to order a binder... please tell me I can get one there and that it won't be too
much of an inconvenience to do it there. Anyone?!?!?
I am starting to get major yips- so much to do and so little time to do it- and
I really wish I had someone going with me. Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
Any moral support out there?
Also, anyone know if I can get an international calling card in a store or
something? Do regular calling cards work? can I get one at Sam's Club or
something? I plan to do most of my talking via the internet but I feel like I
need something in case I want to call in a traditional method. Argh! I am
stressing here in a major way.
I am sitting down to compose the packing list now- and I am robbing Robin's as
we speak! Thanks Robin!
You guys rock- I don't know if I would've ever even considered this without all
the info I've been able to learn from taking to all of you. Thanks! ; )
-Kelly
(3 days till I leave- 7 days till switch day!)

Good Morning-

I made Lizanne a moderator since she volunteered. I'll be away until about 5pm today, so hopefully she'll be approving new members and messages. If not then don't panic I'll be back as soon as I can. Silly work stuff gets in the way of my personal projects. ;)

~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning 10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

If you are going three days without a bowel movement, I would email Dr. M.
Becca

Greetings, ya'll! It has been 30 days since my DS with Dr. M. Today,
I looked in the mirror and I am beginning to tell a difference. This
has not been a smooth sailing process for me, as many of you know.
However, I now at least know what the problem is and am getting it
taken care of!! My constant fatique, low grade fever, etc has been
caused by an infection and not the result of the DS. No, I don't
believe that I got this infection as a result of the surgery,
hospital, etc. Dr. M is in no way responsible. In fact, if I could
afford it, I would fly back to Brazil and allow him to treat me for
this, too. With that out of the way, I will continue. My seroma
continues to drain and another area is opening up on my surgical site
due to the infection. My discomfort symptoms continue. Now, for the
good news..... *My bowel patterns are fairly well established (2-3
times in morning within an hour of awakening - then I'm done til
tomorrow)*My strength is returning (despite this nasty infection) *My
Blood Pressure is normal, I am off all pre-op medication except for 1
antidepressant *I am able to eat most things that I desire (except NO
PIZZA) * I HAVE LOST 34#!
Good luck to all you newbies and everyone going to and in Curitiba.
Has anyone heard from Wendy A??
Tracy in TX
242/208/??

How embarrassing,
Should constipation be a reason to write the good Doctor? and ask for
advice?
Has anyone else had constipation at just a little over 8 weeks out????
Whatg with the rearaanged plumbing ... I am concerned.
Konstantin

I am so glad to hear that. I just love Dr M and I haven't even met
him yet.
Robin G
10/26/04

Thanks for that insight George. I couldn't find "mesenteric Hernia" anywhere
..
Now the picture is clearer.
Konstantin

Konstantin,
I'm no doctor, but I think it would be better for you to take something like
Citrucel. It's fiber and can help whichever direction your bowels are tending
to go... in pill form, or a powder you mix with water.
Nina Wright
kstew111@... wrote:
well at 8 1/2 weeks out and I suddenly have constipation...
Odd since every day has been pretty runny (if you get my drift)
Any suggestions? at all? is it okay to take like Ex-Lax?
Konstantin

oh no Beth!!! Too bad it couldn't have been the other way around!! I had avoided weighing myself for years, and didn't look when I got weighed at the Drs. Well, I decided it was time I started monitoring my weight, because NOT monitoring is how I gained it back after ever diet... I was pleasantly surprised to discover that my surgeons scale was 7 lbs LESS!! Not only that... but it was 7 lbs less in the afternoon than mine was in the morning!

I have an appt tomorrow... and I have been eating fast food and restaurant food all week because of the move at work. I also avoided weighing myself because of that. Now I am doing Atkins shakes all day yesterday and today and half of tomorrow and hoping I didn't gain!!!

Pat
Beth <beth_loveslife@...

I was just now reading all the stuff on the quilting group site... and

well at 8 1/2 weeks out and I suddenly have constipation...
Odd since every day has been pretty runny (if you get my drift)
Any suggestions? at all? is it okay to take like Ex-Lax?
Konstantin

geeeeeez... I wonder who's next??? I am guessing that Penny will be, because she also spoke up rather strongly (go Penny!!). Not sure why I am not yet banned.. I spoke up too.. but maybe not as strongly? I can't believe what Robyn has turned into. I think people who are our friends will come to this board.. even if they don't leave that one.

Unfortunately, I don't think Cat will be having anything to say. She does have a wonderful way with words, but she left the group before any of this happened.
Allison <allisonmarie22@...

Good Morning All-

Well, when I woke up this morning I went to check the message board and found out that I had also been banned. I figured it was coming, but I am so hurt and upset. I really came to depend on that board over the last 4 or 5 months and I met so many friends that I hope I will not now lose contact with. I am especially offended that Robyn banned me because I didn't do anything to affront her personally except ask for an explanation as to why Lizanne was banned. I feel that is really a small offense in comparison to all of the support and caring I have given to complete strangers via that board the time that I have.

I feel very sad right now, but I suppose all I can do is try to move on from it. For any of you who still have a membership feel free to reach out to anyone on our old board and invite them here. I'm not going to try and have a "pissing" contest with Robyn over who shoud be in who's group, but I do feel like people should have an opportunity to choose another place to come for support.

Has anyone heard from Cat? I am sure she'll have some choice words to offer Robyn regarding this subject. Also, Sharon isn't Shauna friends with Robyn? Maybe you could ask her what's going through Robyn's mind. I just can't imagine why on earth she is banning all of us over this terribly minor incident. If you don't feel comfortable doing that it's fine, it was just a thought.

I really hope I'm able to let this go and move on. Sometimes I still have a huge complex when it comes to rejection and I will drive myself crazy and make myself sick worrying about why someone has chosen to dislike me. Oh well...I suppose I'll just try to move on with the rest of you ladies. I'm glad we're here together at least.

~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning 10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

Remember any R$50 bills or larger will be hard to get change for!
Also becareful those hospital bathroom floors when wet are very
slippery!
David/WI

Lisa,

I don't know what percent "makes it", but my surgeon said that if you lose 60% of your excess weight, the surgery is considered a success. That's not good enough for me!!!

{at
lisaatwell1968 <lisaatwell1968@...

I was watching a special on society and obesity on public
broadcasting. The doctor that was endorsing GBS, said that only 5% of
the patients get to "normal weight". He agreed that all will lose a
significant amt of weight, but few get to normal weight. What is
normal weight? You know, I look at the weight loss photos on the other
site and a lot of those people (more than 5%) look normal to me. I
don't understand that comment. Does anyone have any concrete
statistics on % of weight loss due to surgery? (Sharon - sounds like a
job for you!)
Thanks - off to work now
Lisa A (The other Lisa)

Good Morning All-

Well, when I woke up this morning I went to check the message board and found out that I had also been banned. I figured it was coming, but I am so hurt and upset. I really came to depend on that board over the last 4 or 5 months and I met so many friends that I hope I will not now lose contact with. I am especially offended that Robyn banned me because I didn't do anything to affront her personally except ask for an explanation as to why Lizanne was banned. I feel that is really a small offense in comparison to all of the support and caring I have given to complete strangers via that board the time that I have.

I feel very sad right now, but I suppose all I can do is try to move on from it. For any of you who still have a membership feel free to reach out to anyone on our old board and invite them here. I'm not going to try and have a "pissing" contest with Robyn over who shoud be in who's group, but I do feel like people should have an opportunity to choose another place to come for support.

Has anyone heard from Cat? I am sure she'll have some choice words to offer Robyn regarding this subject. Also, Sharon isn't Shauna friends with Robyn? Maybe you could ask her what's going through Robyn's mind. I just can't imagine why on earth she is banning all of us over this terribly minor incident. If you don't feel comfortable doing that it's fine, it was just a thought.

I really hope I'm able to let this go and move on. Sometimes I still have a huge complex when it comes to rejection and I will drive myself crazy and make myself sick worrying about why someone has chosen to dislike me. Oh well...I suppose I'll just try to move on with the rest of you ladies. I'm glad we're here together at least.

~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning 10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

I was just now reading all the stuff on the quilting group site... and

I was watching a special on society and obesity on public
broadcasting. The doctor that was endorsing GBS, said that only 5% of
the patients get to "normal weight". He agreed that all will lose a
significant amt of weight, but few get to normal weight. What is
normal weight? You know, I look at the weight loss photos on the other
site and a lot of those people (more than 5%) look normal to me. I
don't understand that comment. Does anyone have any concrete
statistics on % of weight loss due to surgery? (Sharon - sounds like a
job for you!)
Thanks - off to work now
Lisa A (The other Lisa)

I think Dr. M will be able to do the trick. I'm glad I've been doing stuff like
anti-oxidents etc. The prayers will add to my healing. Thanks very much.
Carole
GAPritikin4128@... wrote:
Dear Carole,
You are in my prayers and most positive thoughts
that Dr. M will find a way to bring this entire situation
to "closure". Do what you must because the situation
doesn't seem to be improving. I think we all trust that
Dr. M will do everything possible to get you on the road
to Recovery and Good Health! We all will keep on
"Praying and thinking positively" for you!
Your friend in Chicago, Gloria
Learning is a Life-Long process which keeps us young
in heart and mind!

oops! great minds,
diane

I guess that means that you may have to have an east coast off shoot....I am, you know from Massachusetts!

Lisa A (the other Lisa)
lizanneflowers <lizanneflowers@...

This will have to be the San Jose group. A quarter of our member are
from there. Either that or the Lisa group as a quarter of our members
are named Lisa.....Sorry, I guess I'm just a little giddy.
Lizanne

Lisa

284/271/217/135

Dear Carole,
You are in my prayers and most positive thoughts
that Dr. M will find a way to bring this entire situation
to "closure". Do what you must because the situation
doesn't seem to be improving. I think we all trust that
Dr. M will do everything possible to get you on the road
to Recovery and Good Health! We all will keep on
"Praying and thinking positively" for you!
Your friend in Chicago, Gloria
Learning is a Life-Long process which keeps us young
in heart and mind!

i believe it. nothing to report today. we were scheduled
to get the dna test tomorrow morning, but since we
haven't talked to the passport office again yet, we've put
it off until monday.
i just hate to spend the $550 if it isn't going to do the
trick.
diane

You are "the" LISA!!! of the group.. all others will follow behind you . .LOL

sharon xoxo

Well i have invited a couple here and i am hoping after Cheryl's surgery tomorrow that she will join when she gets out of hosp. . i will call her to morrow and see how she is doing or friday morning.. i have her husbands cell also..

sharon xoxo

This is true .. I say we ALL LAUGH AT PAT !!! LMAO!!!

But i love her and i think i will laugh WITH her. . :) LOL

sharon xoxo

Pat Robyn won't let the post through! She rejected my post this morning. I got
invite from Sharon :)
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Can't see too much yet from the 1 post op pic, but I see you have
lost weight in your face! Congratulations on a wonderful job so
far.
Robin G
10/26/04

IS there any one with info on "mesenteric hernias" AKA Bowel blockage or
obstruction?
Info? web sites? personal experience? symptoms?
Konstantin

Hello Ladies-

I posted in the Quilting forum by mistake, but I just wanted to let everyone know that the people who have joined so far have been removed from moderation. I'm sorry for the long time I was away. I was visiting with a friend this evening. I'm so exhausted right now I'm going to bed. *yawn*

I will check back in tomorrow! :) Goodnight ladies, and I'm sorry for all of us it's been such a crazy day.

~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning 10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

I think I am just going to read in the GBL group for a while and not
post anything there... unless I get confused and screw up! LOL
Pat

Do we dare post in the BGL group and invite those members to join THIS
group?? Whoever did it would be banned for sure! LOL
Or maybe contact them individually and invite them?
Pat

Hi all,
I must really be a bad person because we had to create a new group
just so I could keep in touch with you. Thank you all so much. I
know I keep saying that, but I really do appreciate you ladies.
On the quilter's group I asked for someone to copy the messages I
sent, so that I could figure out if maybe I was too rash and call
Robyn names in a childish fit. Sharon sent me copies and I am
pleased to say that I did not call Robyn any names but I did say she
was mean and perfect. There is someone, according to the post the
Penny sent me, that says someone sent her a critical personal email.
Maybe she got us confused. Oh, but I wish I knew who it was. Since
I have been missing for so long, it's probably someone I don't know.
So, it turns out that I am not ashamed of what I wrote, but Robyn
sure should be ashamed of what she wrote. I told Cat about it, as I
did not realise there was a little tiff happening here. She says
that she has seen Robyn ban others who disagreed with her. She says
Robyn is intolerant. I guess so.
How do we get others to sign up to our group? Any ideas? It's not
very nice to go to Robyn's group and recruit members, so who has a
better idea?
Lizanne

Hi Folks,
I may not be the biggest poster but I am very into reading and I am
not into reading the stuff happening on the other board right now so
count me in for this group. How exciting.
Lisa L. (Hey since I am the first Lisa maybe I could just be Lisa :)

And LOOK at you. Just as gorgeous as I expected. Hugs, Sherry
Konstantin Loren Stewart <kstew111@...
I did it.. I finally posted some pics on the site.
Konstantin
Sherry Head
High 290 1/13/04 Pre-op 260.5 10/19/04 187 Total Loss 73.5 Weekly loss 1.8
Diabetes cured
I has met the enemy and he is us! - Pogo

Hi everyone. I am glad to see another group starting up. Thank you
for sharing the link with me Sharon. I really hope that this will be a
palce where we can share the ups and downs of GBS as well as enjoy to
goofy side of life. Afterall, if we can't laugh at ourselves, then we
have to laugh at Pat.
Lisa A

And, Robin, if it's any comfort, the statistics are considerably improved in
modern times. Females, especially, have been routinely abused in many ways all
through history. In the U.S., thank goodness, female bashing of all kinds is
losing its social acceptance. Those of us who have had to endure this horror
can be thankful that our children and grandchildren will have better odds than
we did. I've spent much of my life working to achieve an end to abuse of all
kinds.
All the above, of course, has nothing to do with the self-abuse we subsequently
heap upon ourselves. Children nearly always blame themselves for the sins of
the adults in their lives; and many of us spend the rest of our lives punishing
ourselves for those sins. And, too, female children are most often encouraged
not to stand up for themselves; it's not 'ladylike.' I'm delighted that you've
decided NOT to punish yourself with food. I've often found that, when we
untangle one area in our lives, a whole bunch of other areas also untangle . . .
sort of like knitting unraveling. Don't be surprised to find your life
improving in many unexpected and exciting ways! Hugs, Sherry
Robin <jkrdrmom@...
Hi,
I appreciate the support. It is scary how common my childhood was.
When I started therapy, I learned that 1 out of every 4 famale
children have suffered what I did. It blows my mind away to know
that. It also helped me to realize that I was not really so strange
or terrible as I thought I was at the time.
Robin G
10/26/04
Sherry Head
High 290 1/13/04 Pre-op 260.5 10/19/04 187 Total Loss 73.5 Weekly loss 1.8
Diabetes cured
I has met the enemy and he is us! - Pogo

This will have to be the San Jose group. A quarter of our member are
from there. Either that or the Lisa group as a quarter of our members
are named Lisa.....Sorry, I guess I'm just a little giddy.
Lizanne

I did it.. I finally posted some pics on the site.
Konstantin

Ally, hon your gotta take everyone from the other group that has put
in for membership off moderation . .LOL your the only one that can do
it. . where are you? LOL
sharon xoxo

Welcome Penny. Thanks for joining us. I would just like to say again that I would love to team up with your daughter to incorporate some health and fitness components to the group. I think it would be a fantastic addition and I would welcome her knowledge!!

~Ally~
Lap RNY 7/12/07
251/237/???/130 I am on a hiatus from my scale addiction for 1 month beginning 10/24/07
HW/SW/CW/GW

Well when a person is treated unfairly they deserve to be supported. So
here I am guys.
Penny

Hi,
I appreciate the support. It is scary how common my childhood was.
When I started therapy, I learned that 1 out of every 4 famale
children have suffered what I did. It blows my mind away to know
that. It also helped me to realize that I was not really so strange
or terrible as I thought I was at the time.
Robin G
10/26/04

Hello Friends-
I am excited that those of you who have joined are here!
Just a brief message to ask that you please bear with me as I learn
the ins and outs of running a group. I will study up on nifty ways to
make our group awesome and try to work in some of the features of our
old group that we liked.
If anyone has suggestions please let me know!
~Ally~

Wow Lizanne! You are such an instigator! How does it feel to have a
group created in your honor?
~Ally~

Welcome to the new group. . I hope that things will be resolved in our
other group but if not . .we have this one to talk to each other
with ..
I look forward to meeting bunches of newbies here too . .Lizanne!!!
this group is for you ... :)
sharon xoxo

I am really looking forward to meeting you. Take care until than!
Robin G
leaving Friday afternoon for Brazil. Surgery 10/26/04

In a message dated 10/20/2004 11:50:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jkrdrmom@... writes:
Thanks for letting me blow off a few onces of anxiety. My brain
hurts now!
Robin, except for the year of birth, mine was 1946, your letter could have
been written by me. I know where you are coming from and where you have been.
Bigs hugs
Jeannie

I guess tipping there is about the same as in the US?
robin g

Hi Robin,
Make sure you take the phone numbers of Doc M, Ana and the Hotel with you.
If you use wash cloths at home take some with you because you won't find any
in Brazil (unless the ones I left in the American Box are still there).
I assume your last stop in the US will be a large international airport
(probably Miami). While you are there exchange a little bit of your
spending money for Reals. You won't get a great exchange rate but it may
prove handy to have 50 or so reals when you get into Brazil (and try to get
small bills because it makes tipping easier). You probably won't need them,
but then again you might.
Clear Skies,
Dave in Ohio
Biliopancreatic Diversion with Duodenal Switch by Dr. Marchesini in
Curitiba, Brazil
July 6, 2004
Highest Weight: 450lbs (BMI 72.6)
Surgery Weight: 377lbs (BMI 60.8)
Weight on October 6: 290lbs (BMI 46.8)
Total loss on October 6: -87lbs

Hey All! ; )
I am back from Tahoe- and the antibiotics are finally kicking in. It snowed
like crazy while we were there and we finally decided to leave a day early
to avoid getting snowed in and messing up my Brazil departure on Sunday! : )
I am glad for the couple of days to relax even if I was sick. I am terrified
to go to Brazil by myself and I feel like "wendy's quote" is exactly where I
am at right now.
I will say that it was hard for me last night to go to my DH's awards
banquet knowing that everyone else there would be in their slinky, beautiful
evening gowns and I was dressed in something dressy but looking more like a
tent. I just kept telling myself that this would be the last time I had to
go like this- I can't wait to see everyone's reaction next year! <g
So, now it's off to do laundry, pack and get ready for the journey of a
lifetime.
I can't wait to meet all the other American's who'll be there when I am.
Robin- make sure you check in as soon as you get there and let me know how
your trip goes! ; )
Thanks for listening to me ramble! : )
-kelly
(4 days till I leave- 8 days till I am switched!)

Ok, I am getting all my stuff together now. I have:
Airline tickets
Passport
Visa
wired money to Hospital
got cash for Dr M and Durval etc..
got my binder
arranged for my kids care
got my pshych eval letter.
packing clothes.........Is there anything specific I should pack or
NOT pack. I am bringing jeans, PJ's, housecoat, slippers, undies,
slip on shoes, and I thought I would just hang around in scrubs
because they are comfy and roomy.
I have books, music, dvd's, cards
I am going to keep a journal while I am doing through all of this.
I am bringing a camera to take before pictures and pics of Brazil etc.
got my meds.
got some snacks for plane (high protein and low sugar)
Hubbie is bringing Laptop for internet!
What else is there? YIPES!!! I am thinking too much now! I need so
badly to go to sleep, but I just can't sleep. I slept for 2 hours
last night. I am running on borrowed energy right now. They may
have to drag me off the airplane! I can't wait to have some
anesthesia so I can sleep for real.
Robin G
10/26/04
Leaving St. Louis Friday afternoon, landing in Curitiba Saturday
around noonish!

In a message dated 10/20/04 10:37:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Phone: 011 55 41 342-0044
Fax: 011 55 41 342-0668
Clear Skies,
Dave in Ohio
Biliopancreatic Diversion with Duodenal Switch by Dr. Marchesini in
Curitiba, Brazil
July 6, 2004
Highest Weight: 450lbs (BMI 72.6)
Surgery Weight: 377lbs (BMI 60.8)
Weight on October 6: 290lbs (BMI 46.8)
Total loss on October 6: -87lbs

hi.......looking at the calendar it looks like Myrtice will be there
part of the time you are.
please put your dates on there as well.......makes it a lot easier
to see if you will have others around.
may your journey be blessed.
joanne

Well guys. I've been stuck between 140 and 135 for 2 1/2 months
now. I am discouraged. I am now wishing that I had demanded the DS
instead of the RNY - but I didn't qualify for it and that's just all
there is to it. I feel comfortable at this weight, but I'm still
overweight. (goal of 110, maximum for my height - 118) What do I
do now????
Morgan

Congratulations, Patrice!! You will definitely be on my prayer list on December
14!! Natalie (New Braunfels) Janie (San Marcos, pre-op) and Michelle (San
Antonio DS-er but not Dr. M's patient) may all be getting together soon... so
maybe you would want to join us. If not this time, then surely later.
Nina Wright
San Marcos
DS 5/5/04
275/186/135 (89 down, 51 to go!)
austinmoon24 <plieb@...
Well, I have finally started my own countdown. I'm scheduled for
Dec. 14th with Dr. M. and very much looking forward to it. What a
blessing that there is an alternative to fighting insurance
companies and meeting the Legislators. I've planned to have the
surgery before the session in Texas begins in January and will add
to my testimony that I've HAD the surgery and have no ulterior
motive other than to help other people live their lives. Today in
fact, I am meeting with staff of Senator Jane Nelson who is the
Chair of Health and Human Services Commission. A unique opportunity
to make a contribution. A favor to ask you -- if your state has any
legislation written towards helping obese people, please send it on
to me at plieb@.... My thanks in advance.
So my surgery update. I've arranged my ticket and emailed Dr. M. to
help me with the Parthenon. I tried diligently to do it myself
online, but it really is impossible. Most of the sites want to
collect the full amount upfront two months before the trip - which
is totally unacceptable.
My health has been up and down. Yesterday I saw my surgeon for a
knee replacement after this surgery. He gave me a cortisone shot
which is really helping me today. Usually I wake up at night in
pain. So I anticipate losing 100 lbs. before the knee surgery and
that will really give me a chance at making that surgery
successfully. The last thing in the world anyone would want is to be
a burden on others - which is where I was heading before making this
marvelous plan. Give me 2 years and I'll be a new woman.
I am extremely optimistic that I am going to the right place and
will be in the best hands. And most of that comes from the people on
this list. Some of us need to share more than others. I'm basically
more private. However, that doesn't mean I don't share in your
agonies and successes. This is quite a journey and takes an enormous
amount of courage. I even have a close friend who has had DS surgery
and she is overly concerned that the surgery is done "open." I'm OK
with it myself. I had 3 C-sections and absolutely remember those
healing processes. With my 3rd son I was in hospital for 2 weeks and
wasn't healing, so I am aware it will take me longer to heal than
others. Still, the outcome is what counts. I want Dr. M. to have a
full view of his work. After all, he's the quarterback. And my job
will be to stay off my feet, and rest longer. It will be fine.
Robin - to you -- the best of luck on your journey. You will have an
exciting experience I know. Your senses are sharpened and I
challenge you to go through all of it remembering everything so that
when you tell us about how it goes, you're surprised at how well you
feel, how much fun it is to travel and see new things, and what a
great outcome you are having.
All the best to all. Keep me in your prayers for Dec. 14th. Anyone
else planning to be in Curitiba then??
Patrice in Austin, Texas
Eternally optimistic
312 lbs. 52BMI 60 yrs. young
Planning to weigh 145 lbs. in x months
Planning to lose Type 2 diabetes, sleep apnea, hypertension

Well, I have finally started my own countdown. I'm scheduled for
Dec. 14th with Dr. M. and very much looking forward to it. What a
blessing that there is an alternative to fighting insurance
companies and meeting the Legislators. I've planned to have the
surgery before the session in Texas begins in January and will add
to my testimony that I've HAD the surgery and have no ulterior
motive other than to help other people live their lives. Today in
fact, I am meeting with staff of Senator Jane Nelson who is the
Chair of Health and Human Services Commission. A unique opportunity
to make a contribution. A favor to ask you -- if your state has any
legislation written towards helping obese people, please send it on
to me at plieb@.... My thanks in advance.
So my surgery update. I've arranged my ticket and emailed Dr. M. to
help me with the Parthenon. I tried diligently to do it myself
online, but it really is impossible. Most of the sites want to
collect the full amount upfront two months before the trip - which
is totally unacceptable.
My health has been up and down. Yesterday I saw my surgeon for a
knee replacement after this surgery. He gave me a cortisone shot
which is really helping me today. Usually I wake up at night in
pain. So I anticipate losing 100 lbs. before the knee surgery and
that will really give me a chance at making that surgery
successfully. The last thing in the world anyone would want is to be
a burden on others - which is where I was heading before making this
marvelous plan. Give me 2 years and I'll be a new woman.
I am extremely optimistic that I am going to the right place and
will be in the best hands. And most of that comes from the people on
this list. Some of us need to share more than others. I'm basically
more private. However, that doesn't mean I don't share in your
agonies and successes. This is quite a journey and takes an enormous
amount of courage. I even have a close friend who has had DS surgery
and she is overly concerned that the surgery is done "open." I'm OK
with it myself. I had 3 C-sections and absolutely remember those
healing processes. With my 3rd son I was in hospital for 2 weeks and
wasn't healing, so I am aware it will take me longer to heal than
others. Still, the outcome is what counts. I want Dr. M. to have a
full view of his work. After all, he's the quarterback. And my job
will be to stay off my feet, and rest longer. It will be fine.
Robin - to you -- the best of luck on your journey. You will have an
exciting experience I know. Your senses are sharpened and I
challenge you to go through all of it remembering everything so that
when you tell us about how it goes, you're surprised at how well you
feel, how much fun it is to travel and see new things, and what a
great outcome you are having.
All the best to all. Keep me in your prayers for Dec. 14th. Anyone
else planning to be in Curitiba then??
Patrice in Austin, Texas
Eternally optimistic
312 lbs. 52BMI 60 yrs. young
Planning to weigh 145 lbs. in x months
Planning to lose Type 2 diabetes, sleep apnea, hypertension

Robin....DITTO, DITTO AND DITTO!! To EVERYTHING you said! I could
have written your post! Everything from your fear and your feelings
to your husbands feelings and your excitement! I got more and more
yippy the closer it got to leaving (which everyone does), so I think
you are absolutely NORMAL!! I totally know what you are feeling and
completely understand your feelings of failure and guilt and even the
part about living in hell. I was a size 6 in my 20's (while fighting
my weight every day) and in my 30's I started losing the battle. The
last 10 years was miserable! I didn't even go to my last high school
reunion because I was too embarrassed. I turned down MANY MANY
opportunities to go to fun places and do fun things, socially,
because I was too embarrassed to be seen. I DO understand! I'm so
happy for you to finally get to go! Just keep the MOST positive
attitude as you possibly can those first days after surgery. The
first 2 days are tough. The 3rd day is much better and it gets WAY
better with each passing day thereafter. Your ATTITUDE IS
EVERYTHING!! And for what it's worth. My husband was the MEANEST
man I've ever seen before I went. He pulled out every stop to try to
get me not to go. He blew me away because he is my best friend and I
didn't know where this monster was coming from. Now, he's my biggest
supporter! In fact, I had to tell him to quit telling everybody
about my WLS. It's personal to people that are not my closest
friends. He is so proud of me and calls me his Hero for doing
something SO big by myself and to be so determined to do something so
scary and go through with it by myself. He is always asking me if
I've eaten enough today and if he can get me some water or if I need
anything from the store. He's my best friend again and my biggest
fan. I'm so happy for you and so proud of you for sticking to you
guns against your husbands wishes. It's hard for us wives to do. I
don't really know where I was going or what advice (if any) I was
giving you...I just read you post and it could have been written by
me so I needed to respond. Hang in there and have a safe trip!
Lisa
-21 pounds 19 days post op
262/241/140

Does anyone have a number for the hotel?

The Washington Post every Tuesday has a wonderful section on Health. This
week's section ties in the NBC show about losing with weight loss
philosophies in general and is an excellent article. It is part of a weekly
column called the Lean Plate Club. If you want to read the article go to
www.washingtonpost.com <http://www.washingtonpost.com/
various subjects on the left. Click on Health and when that page comes up
you will see the Lean Plate Club and the article about the show. I found it
interesting and agree with much of it. W

Robin....as long as we are quoting therapists I'll tell you what mine said
which made such an impression on me. We were talking and she told me there
was something worse than death. I looked at her shocked because I figured
death was the worst thing that could happen. She then said I could not have
surgery and not die and spend year after year being helpless and dependent
and in pain and have absolutely no quality of life and be a burden on those
I love because of all my illnesses. That made such an impression on me.
She was right. That would be worse than dying.
Now all you have to do is go through the fears and the joys and the
excitement and all those other emotions and except for the plane trip the
hours will go faster than you realize and you will be switched. Your roller
coaster ride is almost over and then......you get to ride another roller
coaster. Aren't I a bundle of fun tonight? <g

Thanks! I don't want to spend my days doing laundry, but I also
don't want to lug around my entire wardrobe either. It would be nice
to have a place to do the old undies and socks etc....
Robin G
10/26/04

Hi Janice,
Thanks for the update! Tell Theresa we are thinking about her also.
You take care of yourself!
Are you REALLY going to "hit the hay" I can't believe anyone could
possibly sleep at a time like this. I am a week away from surgery
and sleeping is very difficult. They will probably have to put me
out with an elephant sedative to get me to sleep.
I hope your surgery goes very smoothly and that DR M does his best
job yet! Good Luck and update us when you are up to it. I will see
you in a few days. I arrive in Curitiba on Saturday! Keep the OR
table Warmed up for me!
Robin G
10/26/04 leaving in only 3 days!!!!

Joanne,
Thank you - I appreciate the thoughts and prayers. And for everyone, an update
on Theresa. First, I should probably tell you a little about her. She's
single, um...don't know how old she is, she's a mobile MRI technician from South
Dakota, had a prior VBG about 10 years ago and had a staple line disruption.
I was at the hospital when they brought her back to the room, and Dr. M stopped
by. He said everything went very well, and he was able to do a DS on her. He'd
told her he might have to do a BPD because of her prior surgery. She was in a
lot of pain, even though she had an epidural, so she got IV pain meds then IM
pain meds, so she was pretty much out of it.
I've just finished my final pre-op meal, and plan to relax for a while, then
shower and hit the hay. I'll update on us both when I'm up to it.
Janice
16.5 hours and counting

has anyone heard how Theresas surgery went??
and Janice..........how are you today??
will have you in my prayers tomorrow.
joanne

Hi,
Leaving in 3 days! Are there places to do laundry? Something close
to the hotel?
Thanks
Robin G
10/26/04 1 week from now I will be switched!!!!

There's a place where you can drop off your laundry just down the street in the
next block. They will do your laundry (cheap) and return it to the hotel. The
only problem is that if any other Americans who happened to have their laundry
that day may end up with some of your laundry and you with theirs.
Carole
Robin <jkrdrmom@...
Hi,
Leaving in 3 days! Are there places to do laundry? Something close
to the hotel?
Thanks
Robin G
10/26/04 1 week from now I will be switched!!!!

Hi,
I have so many emotions flowing through me right now. Huge
excitement to finally begin this new chapter in my life (the old ones
have not been my favorites). I am feeling great expectations from
reading so many success stories here and on other WLS groups I am on.
I also have to admit to feeling scared out of my mind! Why? I am
not really sure! I know the risks of having surgery, so I could say
that is my fear. I also know that I will have to use this new tool
wisely or it will not give me the best results. I have dieted and
failed so many times in my life, that I have a hard time thinking of
this as the "final step" I am too used to failure I guess. But I am
hopeful! and that is something for me to hold onto.
I worry about spending so much money on this! We have a huge amount
of debt already. My DH is not too happy with the spending the money
part either. His original feelings were that I was not dieting
enough or trying hard enough etc... That I was taking the quick, easy
way rather than working to get the weight off. He is better though!
He has not said anything like that in a while. I can't say he is a
big supporter, he really does not seem interesting in hearing
anything about the surgery much. He is going with me though and I am
mostly happy about that. I don't know for sure why (we have
relationship issues also), but he is. I hope it is out of the desire
to be supportive instead of just because I was insistant on taking
someone and he is going just for a vacation of sorts. My mother
offered to go, and of course I would have gladly paid to take her
with me instead. But I would rather it be my DH.
I am so excited to be a healthier person. I hate having sleep apnea
and being short of breath and tired all day long. I hate worrying
about getting diabetes and high BP like many of my older siblings
have developed. I hate feeling fat and frumpy and older than I
really am. I hate not having energy to do normal housework. I want
to be able to play and do fun active things with my kids. I want to
be able to wear a swim suit or shorts. I want to be able to go to
work and have energy and stamina to do it correctly. I want to be
proud of ME and not feel like I need to hide or stay away from
people.
AHHHH....I am mostly just happy to have found this proceedure while I
am still realatively young (only 40) and fairly healthy. I have
already missed out on so much. I have been trapped in this fat body
so long, that I can't remember ever feeling healthy!
I sometimes feel guilty that I am not able to get this weight off and
keep it off. I feel guilty that I am even whining about it when
there are others who have alot more than I do to lose. People say to
me "you don't weigh that much, you should be able to just join weight
watchers or something and get it off, Why have surgery when you can
exercise and eat right to get it off!" I don't think they understand
what being overweight is like really for me. I have a problem with
FOOD! I need the structure that the DS will provide. I already go
to counseling regularly and have for a few years now (for many
issues, not just weight). It has not gotten the weight off! I have
been to Weight watchers and used many other diets and still can't get
the weight off. I am tired to death of worrying about diets and
food! I am tired to death of failure and feeling helpless, hopeless
and afraid of diets!
My therapist told me something a while back that has stuck! She said:
"Robin, it does not matter if you are 10 feet in hell or 1000 feet in
hell.....It still is HELL!"
My weight is my own personal hell right now, weather it is being 100
pounds over or 300 pounds over! I HAVE to get myself out of this
hell ASAP. I have been here long enough.
I really appreciate the support and advise people offer here. I hope
that someday I will be able to help someone else along their way to
moving out of their HELL!
Thanks
Robin G
DSing 10/26/04 with Dr. Marchasini in Brazil
current weight 247 bmi (42ish), goal weight 130ish

wow--i never thought that they might not let her back
into the states if she has a british passport! this just gets
crazier.
i think we'd better get this done the right way, even if it
means waiting for a long time to go to brazil. she
deserves to have her rightful citizenship sorted out. i
see myself hiring an immigration lawyer, if the dna test
isn't the difinitive move.
i do have $600 in united coupons i'd like to use though,
good until dec. 31st.
are you having fun? see anything interesting? good
food, good shopping? (not that we'll be able to afford
any of that, once they get finished taking me to the
cleaners.)
diane

Patients Undergoing Weight Loss Surgery Have High Rates of Helicobacter
pylori Associated With Gastrointestinal Disease
CHICAGO, IL -- October 18, 2004 -- The prevalence of Helicobacter pylori (a
type of bacteria associated with gastrointestinal disorders) is high among
patients about to undergo weight loss surgery, and treatment to eradicate the
bacterial infection before surgery may be beneficial, according to an article
in the October issue of The Archives of Surgery, one of the JAMA/Archives
journals.
The number of obese and morbidly obese Americans is steadily increasing,
according to background information in the article. It is estimated that more
than 30 percent of the U.S. population has a body mass index (BMI) over 30
(obese), and five percent of the U.S. population has a BMI over 40, resulting
in
a increased demand for weight loss surgery, including gastric bypass surgery
(surgery that results in food bypassing much of the intestinal tract). Twenty
to 50 percent of people living in industrialized countries are infected with
H pylori, which is believed to be involved in gastroduodenal ulcer disease
(a gastrointestinal tract disease characterized by ulcers in the stomach and
upper intestinal tract, or foregut), in addition to gastric cancer, according
to the article. The role of H pylori after gastric bypass surgery is unknown.
Archana Ramaswamy, M.D., from Emory University, School of Medicine, Atlanta,
and colleagues examined 99 patients between September 2001 and September
2002 as part of an evaluation for weight loss surgery. The patients (16 men and
83 women; average age 40 years; average BMI, 48) underwent routine testing
before their weight loss surgeries, including testing for the presence of H
pylori.
Before surgery, 24 percent of the patients tested positive for the H pylori
infection. Of those who tested positive for H pylori, 48 percent showed
significant upper gastrointestinal tract symptoms indicative of H pylori
infection
after surgery, while similar symptoms were present in 19 percent of the H
pylori-negative group. Those with prolonged symptoms who tested positive for
the infection were given treatment to eliminate the infection.
The authors write: "The prevalence of H pylori infection in patients
undergoing weight loss surgery is high, and a significant proportion of them
have
postoperative foregut symptoms. Consideration should be given to H pylori
treatment in these patients."
SOURCE: JAMA/Archives Media Relations

Diane,
Thanks...for the wishes and for the sympathy :). I think it was a lot harder
because I was traveling alone. Had I been with someone else, I could have sat
with the bags while the other person staying in line, or we could have taken
turns, or something. But when there's only you, you're stuck.
Anyway, I was really hoping to meet you and Arwen, then just hoping you'd get
here sometime. My temporary problems with traveling are nothing compared to
what you're having to deal with about the passport. I know you'll make it here
eventually, but it has got to be just incredibly frustrating for you. You
deserve to have a good cry over it.
Somebody mentioned trying to get a British passport. Maybe you should look into
trying to get her a British passport just in case. Since she was born there to
a British parent, that's all that's required for citizenship so it should be
much easier to get her passport. I can't recall if the British birth
certificate lists the parents' citizenship, and can't check mine because I'm not
at home, but if so, that should be all she needs. Even if it only lists the
name, they should be able to look up his information and verify he was British.
I know traveling would be more of a hassle, because I remember reading something
to the effect that Americans won't be allowed to return to the US using a
foreign passport. But maybe you could route your trip through Mexico, or
somewhere else that doesn't require an American to have a passport. Although I
don't know if arriving as Americans, then trying to travel out on a British
passport would be a problem. So it's just a suggestion, for what it's worth.
Hang in there. Something has just got to go your way soon.
Janice

Thank you, I will check out that spa
Robin G

hi Kate.........depends on your starting weight among other things.
tho i was in Curitiba longer than most.......about a month.
i had lost 39 lbs before leaving there.
hugs.
joanne

I lost 51 pounds in Brazil. I'm sure much of it was fluid weight but still
it was 51 pounds between July 31st and August 20th. I never made it to Dr.
M's office so I am counting from my scale the day I left and my scale the
day I came home. Don't get upset though cause with that type of loss the
first month I bet you are in for a plateau that could go more than a week
and even a couple. The scale won't always make you so happy so prepare
yourself. If only it would always go that fast. <g

Thank you, Sherry. I take my vitamins (ADEK's, Centrum, co-enzyme Q-
10, alpha-lipoic acid, acetyl l-carnitine, and two Citrical) every
day; I eat low-carb protien bars all the time (4 or 5 a day), and
I'm very, very uninterested in carbs. But I know from my experience
last summer that carbs create their own demand, and fruit will
absolutely put the brakes on weight loss. I ate what I thought was
a healthy amount of fruit during all of June. Didn't lose a pound.
And during that time, I craved carbs like crazy.
I never lost any hair. I've heard of people doing that. Anyone
else? I've also been drinking a lot of water. I hate the idea of
kidney stones.
I started going to the gym last March or so. It's HARD to build
muscle when dieting like this, but you can, slowly. Be satisfied
with muscle tone instead.
Darren

is this normal? it feels too fast!
-kate

Diane,
I am so sorry you are having to go through all of this. If they won't
guarantee they'll issue the passport after the DNA test, why are they
requiring you to do it? Either they don't believe she's your daughter and
the DNA will clear that up or are they just hasseling you? If you have any
kind of investigative reporters in your city I would call them up and spill
my guts to them. I've seen many an ugly situation get cleared up once a
reporter is involved. Nobody likes the bad publicity.
Just a thought. Hang in there. I'm praying that some sane person at the
passport office will suddenly appear and end this whole nightmare for you.
Hugs,
Val in TX
DS 09/30/03
286/150/135-140?

Janice.........
glad you made it there and soooooooo sorry for the hassles.
must say....you are NOT the first that "did not listen" re the
wheelchair.......
please do arange for them for your return trip.
is Theresa a member of this group??
if not....please let her know about us.
rest now.....you are in very good hands.
my prayers are with Theresa for her surgery.and you for yours.
hugs and blessings.
joanne

I left Tampa at 4 pm yesterday, and arrived here at 4 pm today. My
flight from Sao Paolo apparently did not exist when I tried to check
in, so they sent me to the other airport for a 12:30 flight, which
was cancelled. I eventually got out of there on a 1:45 flight.
However, neither I (on a cell phone loaned by a nice American man),
nor TAM were able to get through to either Durval or Dr. M for some
reason, so poor Durval went to the airport twice for nothing, and
Dr. M was worried that I'd gotten lost.
I felt bad and didn't want to call Durval from the airport, so I
took a taxi to the hotel. After I got checked in, I called Dr. M
and he said Durval would pick me and Theresa (another American here
for surgery tomorrow) and her friend Roxie up to take us to his
office at 5. After our appointments were over (and yes, all the
reports are accurate - he is just the sweetest man) we went out to
dinner. I just got home and after having had 3 hours sleep in the
last 2 days, I'm exhausted. But I'm SO happy to be here.
And did I listen to the posts about asking for a wheelchair? Oh,
nooooo! It wasn't so bad until I got into the customs line that
filled an entire room the size of an auditorium. But about a half
hour into that and only about a 10th of the way through, I was in
agony. I had sweat rolling off me that no amount of fanning could
stop, my face was bright red, my legs were rubber, and my back was
killing me. I finally gave up and got out of line and told the
woman at the desk in the back that there was no way I could stand in
that line for that length of time without passing out. After
telling me that there was no way they could take me out of turn
(heck, I'd-a waited my turn as long as I could sit and put down my
bags while doing so), she disappeared, then came back and told me
they'd take me right away since she told them I was ill. And I
really looked the part!
Okay, I've rambled long enough. Sorry, it's the exhaustion making
me delirious.
Janice
Day after tomorrow

To Everyone,
I have read everything that has been posted for the past month. Although I
am very early and still somewhat researching........would like to get this done
in Feb maybe June...but anyways.........I can't help but be sooo happy at the
people on these sites know I will get the support I need here..............I
am even getting to know personalities..............lol..
Thank you all for all the questions answered, you are the best and no one
could ask for more...no matter when I get it done................I am glad to
have people like you all...........you know we are very compassionate
people!!!!!
Love,
Stella

WOW!!!! that is great! I just love hearing success stories!!
Kathy B in KC
DS 7-21-04

well daaang............that should say 38.7% body weight
gone.........not 61.3......i wish it were over 60% already.
me

have an appointment at the VA for my 9 month labs but that is not
til the beginning of Nov. 9 (it is the VA after all....never get a
quick appt).
my DS was 15 Jan 04
weight on date of surgery: 354
BMI was 59.8
that made me SUPER morbidly obese......and only 2 tenths away fro
SUPER, SUPER.
current weight: 217
BMI: 36.7
have lost 137 lbs., 61.3% of my body weight, 67.2% of my excess
weight.
i would no longer qualify for the DS according to most surgeons.
no more diabetes, no more high blood pressure, no more pitting
edema, no more congestive heart failure, no more sleep apnea etc etc.
i do still have a boatload of chronic medical problems including
MS.....but life is much better.
hugs and blessings.
joanne

sheesh....that should say a miNi update.

i have been wondering how you are doing.
thanks so much for posting the update.
congratulations on your terrific outcome.
hugs.
joanne

Early voting started today in many states. My girlfriend in TN voted last
week already. The trouble with the places for the early voting here in my
county in VA is they are not accessible enough which is the reason why I
cannot vote in person on election day. There is a handicapped parking space
in front of the school. But because school is open they will not all
strangers to walk through the school. Everyone has to follow a sidewalk to
walk around ¾ of the school to the one door which is open at the
cafeteria/gym combination. You would think they would continue the sidewalk
all the way around so we would only have to walk ¼ around to the other side.
So silly. So I live directly across the street from the school but have to
vote by mail in absentee. What I hate is in 2000 I mailed in my ballot. In
March I got a letter saying my vote was invalidated because I made a
mistake. But they DID NOT TELL ME THE MISTAKE. I am petrified that I will
do the same thing again. I was so careful. How can they send out a form
letter 4 months after the fact like that? It would have been better to send
no letter. I am convinced we will not know the winner election night and
dread the month of November. I want so much to be wrong. W

Robin, I am excited for you. I wish I were going with you!!!!! You will
absolutely love Dr. M, Durval and Curitiba. Make sure you take a diary.
Everything is going to go well for you. You just wait and see!!!!! Have a
good time while you are down there. Shop and play. There is a spa on the top
floor of the Parthenon, go and investigate.
Deborah Powell

My Dear Phyllis . . . thank you so much for your update. It is so encouraging
to learn about successes. And I'm so delighted for you. I join you in your
craziness . . . Dr M. performed my DS on January 13. My results haven't been as
good as yours, YET, but we slow losers plan on getting there, too; just takes us
a little longer. I'm doing the Hoppy Dance in your honor. Hugs, Sherry
kokomohopetown <psk7@...
Hi Yall I figure it is way past time to give an update .
Sherry Head
High 290 1/13/04 Pre-op 260.5 10/16/04 188.8 Total Loss 71.1 Weekly loss 2.8
Diabetes cured
I has met the enemy and he is us! - Pogo

Robin, I like the "eating candy" law. If she adds recess to our work
day, I will vote for her. LOL
Maybe it would be better if we could choose our president by a lottery.
Any man or woman over the age of 35 is eligible. I swear, we could
not do any worse.
Becca

That sounds horrible!!!! I wish I could help somehow, but nobody
cares what I think, certainly not any politicians! Right your
congressman! Right the president! Right the local TV station and
Radio stations. This is really really unjust and stupid
OK....I have gotten it out. I am sorry you have to deal with this. I
hope everything gets cleared up soon. Good Luck and I am sending you
a GREAT BIG HUG!!!
Robin g
10/26/04

well, i'm running out the door to the eye doc, but wanted
to say--the @%$#&^* DNA test will cost me $542.00.
un-f***ing-believable.
it's $475 plus local lab fees. scheduled for thursday
morning--and of course we've had to delay our trip
again. i told both docs that rather than reschedule, i'll
just let them know when she gets the passport. i'm sure
they both think we're unreliable flakes at this point.
so we might not be able to go now until after the first of
the year--which is